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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    They can demand better wages, but they aren't entitled to them.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Wall-Mart registers record the cashier's Items Per Hour. So, why don't they pay a base wage, and offer weekly/monthly bonuses based on the cashier's IPH? Wall-Mart already pays their Order Pickers this way.

    Target already has a system in place for tracking how many pieces per-hour it's "logistics team members" move; both stocking shelves and processing a truck.

    IMO that places more control directly in the hands of the individual worker. No need to beg a manager, protest or strike, if you want a raise, work harder and you will see the rais on your very next check.
    Right off the top of my head, the problem I see with that, is that a cashier has zero control over how many people/items are checked out through her register. It would be based on luck more that performance and performance bonuses can't work that way.

    I guess you could turn the cashier line into a carneval midway: "fastest checkout in town, folks! Right here! Fast check out! Ready to check out, ma'am? Roll right on in and get out quick!" Entertaining, but unrealistic.

    What if a cashier draws 20 out of 30 hours during the slowest times of the day and they do that 3 weeks in a row and get rooked out of their bonus?

    A performance bonus based on scanned items is totally unrealistic.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah and what did the CEO of Standard Oil do when the railroads started charging him market rates?

    He built a ****in pipeline
    Well, standard oil did loose market share, before all the trust busting started to happen.
    But, it doesn't take away from the point that, government shouldn't give implicit or explicit "special" benefits to any business, whether it be a union or oil company.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Standard Oil pressured the railroads, to prevent competitors from building pipelines, through their lands.
    I'm all about free market and free enterprise, but also recognize the failure of government, when it comes to their direct involvement of creating market monopolies.

    Businesses can be bad guys, when it comes to this stuff.
    They shut out direct competitors, they did not corner the entire market. Like I said, for it to be a cartel there would have to be more than just gaming the railroads, they would have to leverage the refineries, and sew up other sectors of the market, etc.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They can demand better wages, but they aren't entitled to them.
    Some folks would disagree that they're not entitled to them.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Some folks would disagree that they're not entitled to them.
    That's when it's time to tell those folks to go ahead and pay the difference.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A union could do that, without the legal monopoly.
    With the legal monopoly, it's just a rent seeking relationship.
    There is more than one union, thus no monopoly. For many, the union employees take all the risks so others can benefit. No one I know of has ever turned down a raise earned by the union, or better benefits. Can't balme union members for wanting equal sharing of the burden.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Didn't read thread. Too lazy for 925 posts.

    But, if this is the same thing I heard about on the radio news recently, someone was saying that 9.50/hr was too little.

    My first thought was "damn I don't even make that much", followed by "****, wal-mart pays better than my job?"


    Or something to that effect.
    Not to mention that they actually do a decent job of promoting up if you show a bit of capability and gumption to actually work.

    My nieces ex-boyfriend went to work there stocking at night last year, less than 3 months he got moved to full-time with benefits, still not great pay, but survivable. But then, he was also conscientious about his job, went in when asked, did the work asked of him and didn't bitch about it.

    Amazing what a decent attitude and a willingness to work will get you vs standing around bitching about how bad it is.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There is more than one union, thus no monopoly. For many, the union employees take all the risks so others can benefit. No one I know of has ever turned down a raise earned by the union, or better benefits. Can't balme union members for wanting equal sharing of the burden.
    So when a union has a monopoly on labor for 1 employer, I'm supposed to coo with happiness?
    It is a monopoly.

    Sure, if someone handed me a $100 bill, for no reason, I'd take it to.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right off the top of my head, the problem I see with that, is that a cashier has zero control over how many people/items are checked out through her register.
    Wall-Mart's Order Picker's speed is only judged at the beginning of an order, not during staging or brakes or lunch. Likewise, the register only records your speed during a transaction. The register does not record in real-time. A cashier with a steady line all day can have a much lower IPH then a cashier who has a couple rushes and then down time.

    When I was at Wall-Mart, a buddy and I hated cashiering, but everyone had to do a week of it every quarter. "Extreme" reality shows were in vogue at the time, so naturally we invented "extreme cashiering", where we competed for the highest IPH. We learned some tricks to it, and we had the fastest registers the store had ever seen. A typical cashier would have an IPH between 150-200. Cashiers with an IPH above 250 were rewarded with a special name tag (a big deal among the cashiering circles).

    After a couple days, my IPH was 510. My buddy's IPH was just under 600. We showed the other cashiers our tricks, and it's not that we were exploiting the system, it's that we were actually faster. A 'trick' might be letting the customer put all their stuff on the counter, and then I would line up all the bar-codes before starting the transaction, this way you can just fly the items across the laser. Another 'trick' was memorizing UPCs to more common large items, such as various dog/cat food/litter. This way I could just type the UPC into the register without having to walk around with the scanner or wait for the customer to find the removable tag. Another 'trick' is grouping like items on the counter, something most customers do anyway. If I was working the tobacco register, I would ask if they wanted tobacco before starting the transaction. And of course the customer needs to be in a good mood in order to pay faster, so I would, for example, always card the elderly buying alcohol.

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