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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A job, is not an "a la carte" menu at a restaurant.
    You want work, you need to fill the hours they have open.
    you find it unreasonable for an employee to have some control over his / her regular shift and number of hours? having some expectation of when and how many hours one will be working is hardly "a la carte." I think letting employees have a little control over their schedules is a pretty minimal concession, and would do a lot to improve the experience of working there.



    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This is probably one of the dumbest arguments ever presented, that keeps getting repeated.
    What about all the employers before Walmart, who practiced this very same thing, sans public bennies.
    put simply, they weren't the largest employer in the nation, and they didn't have the clout walmart has at every point of production.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Your words.


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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    It's true, though. You want to blame the corporations for trying to minimize the "corporate responsibility" meme you foist upon them...and then you want to force them to abide by your meme.

    As I said...you can't have it both ways. I suggest you just stick with advocating for a dictatorial government. You'd be more honest that way.
    Blaming corporations for trying to minimize "corporate responsibility" and at the same time wanting to force them to live "corporate responsibly" is not wanting to have it both ways.

    An analogous situation would be having voluntary speed limits and then when people didn't obey them, wanting to force people to live by involuntary speed limits.

    As for dictatorial government: I could meet you ridiculous characterization for ridiculous characterization, but it is far too tiresome. Best to just dismiss you.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    I have heard that the wages of Walmart are at the same level as they were in the 1980s... newsflash food and goods are not a the same level as in 1980s... hence the Walmart employees have gotten poorer and poorer over the years... which is rather pathetic considering the massive profits the company has.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There is no reason for them to unionize other than exploitation.
    Organizing into a union so that you cannot be exploited is an excellent reason for unionization. Thank you for recognizing that.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Baloney.
    Entry level Walmart workers do not need any special skills or training.
    It's one of the bottom of the barrel job positions in retail.

    They have no leverage in negotiating wages, because they have nothing to hold over the employer.
    They're easily replaced and position training costs are marginal, at best.
    Baloney to you.

    While I don't disagree with anything else you've said in the above post, Walmart makes those worker's bad market circumstance even worse, through the mechanisms I have asserted. There is no excuse for that kind of exploitation.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    you find it unreasonable for an employee to have some control over his / her regular shift and number of hours? having some expectation of when and how many hours one will be working is hardly "a la carte." I think letting employees have a little control over their schedules is a pretty minimal concession, and would do a lot to improve the experience of working there.
    Workers have ultimate control over their hours. If they don't like their hours, they can find a new job. Retail hours are brutal. If people don't want retail hours, then they shouldn't work for a retail business.

    These jobs should be viewed as stepping stones...not thirty-year careers, for God's sake. What is wrong with people???
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    As I have with other posters, I reject your contention that Walmart has any responsibility or mandate to improve the general state of our economy or to reduce the number of people who take government benefits. Their only responsibility it toward maximizing the profits of their stockholders.
    Seeing that proponents of tax cuts talk that tax cuts for the wealthy are needed for an improved, strong economy, I can only be lead to believe that what the proponents of those tax cuts say for the wealthy are incorrect.

    It is neither my or the public's responsibility to allow a rich person to get even more financially empowered by enjoying the privilege of getting that way through the removal of that person's public debt responsibility.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    you find it unreasonable for an employee to have some control over his / her regular shift and number of hours? having some expectation of when and how many hours one will be working is hardly "a la carte." I think letting employees have a little control over their schedules is a pretty minimal concession, and would do a lot to improve the experience of working there.
    It is "a la carte" when you have nothing to negotiate with.
    Retail is an on demand, variable industry.


    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    put simply, they weren't the largest employer in the nation, and they didn't have the clout walmart has at every point of production.
    That, in no way, proves your point.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which words were those?
    You can go back and reread what you posted and I quoted.
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