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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    no rebuttal needed, you are ignorant on the subject, and a waste of time to debate.
    We've started this discussion before, and usually you get mad and stomp off....I know plenty about unions, even was in one for about 4 years, so, all you show here randel, greenie, or what ever you wish to be called, is your own fear of taking on the subject.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    There are many problems that exist in many unions democratic process yeah ...
    Common ground.

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    As far as them being greedy because they were not fired .... Union bosses are not employed by the people that fired those workers ... they are elected, the Union bosses didn't fire those workers.
    Thats not what I was talking about. I was talking about the union bosses not losing thier jobs because they didn't work for Hostess even though thier employee's did. The union bosses have nothing to lose in situations like what happened with Hostess. Especially when they just do what you have done in this post. Put the blame somewhere else for those employee's losing thier jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    As far as them getting more than the average worker, as I said ... that doesn't equate greed and its democratically acountable. As far as going to work beforethe deadline, thats industrial action strategy, its difficult, and they didn't win in that situation.
    They are only democratically accountable if the ones that elect them hold them accountable. But how can they hold them accountable when they are lied to? When they are so blind?

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What they "deserve"?
    These people are the people that make Walmart function without them there would be no Walmart.
    And they are no to low skilled employees
    that didnt prepare themselves for careers and should receive market value for their employment. In that WalMart you probably have a McDonalds or other fast food joint. They should get paid what fast food employees get paid. Right next door there is probably a video game store. They too should get paid about the same. You dont have some inane right to get paid better because the boss is successful. As to your comment that the employees make them successful...thats just mindless twaddle. You can say it about anyone that has a job in ANY market or field. It is irrelevant. You could fire every WalMart store employee tomorrow and be fully staffed and operational by Friday with another crop of unskilled candidates.

    You on the other hand are free to start your own business and pay them GRAND wages. You should do that.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    They don't control the board ... they have HALF of the representation. If you don't think that makes a major difference on how the company is run I don't know what to tell you.
    Amazing. Ok, German boards have a two tier determination system. The advisory tier has half representation from employees and half from the board of directors. On the other tier, where decisions are made, unions have representation but its not half, it varies from 10% to 40%, depending on the company.

    If you are going to present information, please know what you are talking about before you double down on wrong.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    ...You dont have some inane right to get paid better because the boss is successful. As to your comment that the employees make them successful...thats just mindless twaddle....

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What they "deserve"?
    These people are the people that make Walmart function without them there would be no Walmart.
    Yes, what they deserve. That is what the labor market dictates must be paid to fill the position. In the case of those you wish to champion, that means that there are available, lets see, 25 Million plus welfarist also, so an unknown actual number but lets take the 25 million unemployed and divide it by the number of "associate" positions at WalMart, lets use the 1.4 million number of employees, I don't have a figure for just the associates. If Walmart Fired ever single one of them, there are still 18 unemployed people for each position opened, in such a labor market, minimum wage would suffice to draw in the needed employees and they currently pay more than minimum wage, guess the CEO should be fired for wasting profits by over paying those low level employees.

    And they do not "make walmart" function. They are the least important and easiest replaced cogs in the works. Yes, they are, in their way essential to opperations, however, since there are actually millions of Americans that will work at any available job instead of staying on just welfare (something to do with Pride and selfrespect, I know that as a socialist you don't really understand those concepts, but they really do exist), thus, there is no fear of those positions being unfilled.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And they are no to low skilled employees
    that didnt prepare themselves for careers and should receive market value for their employment. In that WalMart you probably have a McDonalds or other fast food joint. They should get paid what fast food employees get paid. Right next door there is probably a video game store. They too should get paid about the same. You dont have some inane right to get paid better because the boss is successful. As to your comment that the employees make them successful...thats just mindless twaddle. You can say it about anyone that has a job in ANY market or field. It is irrelevant. You could fire every WalMart store employee tomorrow and be fully staffed and operational by Friday with another crop of unskilled candidates.

    You on the other hand are free to start your own business and pay them GRAND wages. You should do that.
    And what's the responsibility for the American corporations taking good paying jobs overseas when they were NOT losing a profit in this nation and GET lower tariffs to charge us over a 500% markup of what it cost them to manufacture? What are the responsibilities to corporations for this? Continued no to low tax rates here?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We've started this discussion before, and usually you get mad and stomp off....I know plenty about unions, even was in one for about 4 years, so, all you show here randel, greenie, or what ever you wish to be called, is your own fear of taking on the subject.

    go find someone more like minded, you'll be more comfortable there.
    funny, i seem to remember that you tend to get all pissy when facts are presented that don't agree with your world view....much as with any organization, you can be a 'member' for years and years , and still know nothing about it....this describes you perfectly...you may have been a 'member' of a union, but you know squat about them....now move along, this will be my last reply to you.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What they "deserve"?
    These people are the people that make Walmart function without them there would be no Walmart.
    Oh no! Walmart would absolutely fail without greeters, cart pushers, and register workers. Upon further analysis, that fails horribly. Without carters a manager simply would have to do it, or customers could just park the cart in the little place for them and others could just grab one, Walmart has automated registers, even someone who manages the section, and half the time the greeters don't greet.........I can walk into a store without being greeted thankyouverymuch.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Oh no! Walmart would absolutely fail without greeters, cart pushers, and register workers. Upon further analysis, that fails horribly. Without carters a manager simply would have to do it, or customers could just park the cart in the little place for them and others could just grab one, Walmart has automated registers, even someone who manages the section, and half the time the greeters don't greet.........I can walk into a store without being greeted thankyouverymuch.
    Actually, they have dropped the greeter program, I was confused about it a first also, but greeters are gone. Damn, and there went my desired second career.
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