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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Did you just scare quotes "living wage!?"

    And did you also then ask the question "but why would anyone want more money if they're already (barely) surviving!?"

    I don't know. Why would a CEO make millions when they can live a middle-class lifestyle off 50k?
    Perhaps I missed your point, or you have missed mine. You seem to agree that higher skilled/more productive work should get higher compensation, but you seem to assert that [B]any[B/] employment should provide "the basics" for a comfortable independent existance. That was certainly not true when I started working; minimum wage was just raised to $1.25/hour which, if adjusted for inflation, is now $7.14/hour.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The pay and benefit scale, at Walmart, hardly qualifies as "malevolent to mankind."
    Umm, yeah, I would call it malevolent, albeit a mild form. Walmart's policies amount to an abuse of the free market. They misuse both market power and information asymmetry to benefit themselves at the expense of their workers.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    If companies paid their employees a little more wouldn't those same people spend that money right back with companies who would in turn make a substantial profit off those purchases made with the higher salaries?

    Isn't higher wages ultimately an investment in increased sales?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Respectfully disagree. Corporate social responsibility dictates that eventually any policy that is viewed neagtively by the public will cost sales and profit. I would say it has reached that point with Wal-Mart. They could engage in a pay step scale that doesnt leave employees in danger of losing raises faster than the minimum wage is raised in states. Wage compression is a very real issue in Wal-Mart and they ought to address it.

    Better employee wages also tend to make for better employee customers---something to consider.

    Last note: Wal-Mart is not the same company it was under Sam Walton and any employee that has been there since he was the boss will say as much. The company has changed considerably and while it is the largest employer in the US, its days are numbered---internet sales are going to dent Wal-Mart just as hard as they are other retail outlets. The reasons why someone shops will have as much to do with service and environment as they do with convenience and price in as little as 10 to 15 years. Wal-Mart would do well to examine their employment model closely, it wont last as it is forever.
    All that is fine and good...and it's Walmart's choice if they want to follow your advice or not. But you've said nothing to dispute my statement, which was a rejection of tererun's contention that Walmart has a responsibility to improve the general state of our economy or reduce the number of people who take government benefits.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Umm, yeah, I would call it malevolent, albeit a mild form. Walmart's policies amount to an abuse of the free market. They misuse both market power and information asymmetry to benefit themselves at the expense of their workers.
    Sorry, but that's ludicrous.
    Walmart is employing and paying people based on their individual value.

    That's why their wages are lowish.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This is plainly just an attempt of the union trying to get more due paying members.
    Hopefully they will be successful in this endeavor. The only real hope these workers have is to organize a union.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sorry, but that's ludicrous.
    Walmart is employing and paying people based on their individual value.

    That's why their wages are lowish.
    No, what you say is ludicrous. They are not paying people based on their individual value. They are utilizing certain "market forces" to put downward pressure on wages.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    How incredibly funny!! You say I am trying to have it both ways??? The corporations foist upon us this myth of voluntary corporate responsibility. Liberals try to cajole corporations to live by the principles of corporate responsibility and conservatives say that corporate responsibility is a myth. I acknowledge that it is indeed a myth and state that we ought to therefore institute involuntary corporate responsibility. Then you accuse ME of wanting to have it both ways? That is rich.
    It's true, though. You want to blame the corporations for trying to minimize the "corporate responsibility" meme you foist upon them...and then you want to force them to abide by your meme.

    As I said...you can't have it both ways. I suggest you just stick with advocating for a dictatorial government. You'd be more honest that way.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, what you say is ludicrous. They are not paying people based on their individual value. They are utilizing certain "market forces" to put downward pressure on wages.
    Baloney.
    Entry level Walmart workers do not need any special skills or training.
    It's one of the bottom of the barrel job positions in retail.

    They have no leverage in negotiating wages, because they have nothing to hold over the employer.
    They're easily replaced and position training costs are marginal, at best.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Hopefully they will be successful in this endeavor. The only real hope these workers have is to organize a union.
    There is no reason for them to unionize other than exploitation.
    Their job skills and abilities are not sufficient enough to warrant special protections.
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