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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    That isn't a democratic economy, we have a plutocracy, i.e. an economy run by the rich, it's one dollar one vote,
    Interesting. Then it you must be fully aware of the fact astounding fact that American consumers voted for Walmart about 419 Billion times in 2011 alone.

    Where else (other than Walmart) might you advise your fellow countrymen to cast those nearly half a trillion votes per year?

    Answer thoughtfully, for it could change the social fabric of the nation for the better...
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    German industry is doing so well because they have a reputation based upon quality workmanship and brand integrity that is second to none. Their profit model per item is higher because of this. Especially in the auto industry.
    Yeah .... and the reason that they have that is because of the leadership system, instead of looking at short term profits they look at long term viability and workmanship, and that is because the board is run half by the workers, who have a much more long term stake in the buisiness than liquid shareholders, they also stop outsourcing and they make sure that the benefits go to the workers and not just to profits.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Interesting. Then it you must be fully aware of the fact astounding fact that American consumers voted for Walmart about 419 Billion times in 2011 alone.

    Where else (other than Walmart) might you advise your fellow countrymen to cast those nearly half a trillion votes per year?

    Answer thoughtfully, for it could change the social fabric of the nation for the better...
    The marketplace works in the sense that you're trying get the most for the least for yourself, and you're forced to ignore the externalities, especially when workers have less and less disposable income, they are going to go for the cheapest .... However if you put it to a poll, most would vote that the US would be better off if Walmart was unionized, and infact many workers WANT to join unions but cannot.

    But I'm saying one dollar one vote, is NOT democracy, thats not the way I want an economy run, I want it one person one vote.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This, in no way, is comparable to an abusive spouse relationship.
    That's actually pretty insulting to those who have been through real abuse.
    I knew I was wasting my time the moment I typed "the least you can do is try to understand it." It should have been obvious to me that you set your bar a little lower than the point of comprehension. I was comparing the psychological reasons that compel people to stay in a situation that is detrimental to their long term well being and I made that clear.

    The people who work at Walmart work incredibly hard. I was there on Thursday night and I saw hundreds of people running around the store and I remember working in retail (and the time a coffee shop I worked at ran a promotion where they gave away free blended drinks which was traumatic) and it's amazing what those people do. You've deflected a lot of other people's opinions but aren't eager to offer up your own. Why do Walmart employees stay there? Do they like their jobs? Do they deserve whatever they get because they can walk out the door at any time and find a new job, but they don't?

    I've already shared my opinion as to why they stay there. But whatever the reason is, this much is clear - they work extremely hard, they are the foundation of Walmart and they deserve to have a voice and fair compensation. Also, while I think most Walmart employees want more in life than what they've got, some of them simply don't care about getting rich, but that doesn't mean they're forfeiting their right to speak up for themselves. They shouldn't live knowing they'll lose their house if their child gets cancer just because they don't make enough money to afford a top shelf health care policy.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Worth it? Why is only the CEO's worth unchallenged? Worth is negotiated.
    It's the CEO's company. No one else's. It really is as simple as that.

    Lets put it this way. Lets say that you hired a mechanic to fix your car. They give you a fixed amount of how much the job will cost. Part cost and hourly cost. What would you do if half way through the job the mechanic told you that he wouldn't finish fixing your car unless you agreed to pay him 30% more? Same amount of work to be done, nothing new added beyond that of him simply wanting more money for the job.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This shows a decided lack of knowledge of things that Wal-Mart does for its employee's.

    1: Thier employee's get pretty darn good benefits...Wal-Mart health benefits and financial benefits

    2: Employee's do get vacation time and sick time which are seperate from each other.

    3: Thier employee's and dependents can also get scholarships...Wal-Mart and education

    Edit: Btw, I should also note that those health and financial benefits were offered when I worked there long before Obamacare came around.
    Here's a story about their (not so) wonderful health care coverage

    And they offer scholarships. They should offer assistance to a large percentage of their employees and not just a few select ones. Saying Walmart employees can get scholarships is like saying that you can win the Powerball jackpot (you'd be more likely to get a scholarship I'm sure but you get the point)

    And not all Walmart employees get vacation time and sick time. In fact, here's a depressing article about their policies regarding paid time off.

    Full-time associates can earn 2 personal days and approximately 6 days of sick pay a year. The sick pay can be used for a personal or family illness. After two years, they receive two weeks paid vacation. So...18 paid days off per year, plus holidays.
    Wow, 2 days paid time off a year?! Sign me up! And let's not pass up the most important thing of all. The average employee there makes less than 9 dollars an hour. So even if they work 40 hours a week, they'd make just over $1,000 a month after taxes and if they are on the health care plan, almost all of their money would go toward paying rent.

    These are the people who work at the store with a $450 billion dollar revenue this year.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Because I didn't inheret it .... And I don't have a giant amount of Capital.
    Forget the rest of your post. This right here says it all. Simply envy.

    You do know that Mr. Walton Sr. did not have a giant amount of capital when he started right? He started from one single store and grew it into the empire that is now Wal-Mart and Sam's Clubs. Yeah his kids may have inherited it but they still are keeping it going and expanding just like thier father did before them. It might be easier for them to keep it going and expand on it than it did thier father but that is irrelevent. Simply inheriting something does not mean that you have the capability to keep it.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Forget the rest of your post. This right here says it all. Simply envy.

    You do know that Mr. Walton Sr. did not have a giant amount of capital when he started right? He started from one single store and grew it into the empire that is now Wal-Mart and Sam's Clubs. Yeah his kids may have inherited it but they still are keeping it going and expanding just like thier father did before them. It might be easier for them to keep it going and expand on it than it did thier father but that is irrelevent. Simply inheriting something does not mean that you have the capability to keep it.
    A: They don't "keep it going" an army of managers and executives do, also they already ahve a model.
    B: The same argument could be made pro-monarchy ... just because its hard to achieve a certain kind of power doesn't justify the power.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Because hopefully you're thoughtful, poit is German industry is EXTREMELY unionized, to the point to where half of the board of directors are directly chosen by the workforce ... yet Germany is one of the industrial superpowers of the world.
    So what you're saying is that is how thier economy is made. How can you really compare that to the US which has a far larger population, land mass, and a different set of values? Just because something works somewhere else does not mean that it will work in another area. Tell me, are the union bosses in Germany as greedy as the ones here in the US? Or do they actually think about the consequences of thier actions?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So what you're saying is that is how thier economy is made. How can you really compare that to the US which has a far larger population, land mass, and a different set of values? Just because something works somewhere else does not mean that it will work in another area. Tell me, are the union bosses in Germany as greedy as the ones here in the US? Or do they actually think about the consequences of thier actions?
    Where are you getting this greedy union boss thing? Where are the Union bosses on the furtune 500? Also it works in Germany because its a good idea, and they are forced to think of the consequences BECAUSE THEY ARE DEMOCRATICALLY ACCOUNTABLE!!!

    Guess what, when Unions were strong in America, we had a strong middle class and strong industry as well ...

    There is nothing genetically that makes germans better than americans, its the system.

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