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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    having studied Labor history I can tell you it was an effort by northern white unions to prevent black labor coming North from out competing overpriced union labor
    That, and southern white families didn't like that black youths were working for lower wages to circumvent the racism of the day, those youths simply played the value of the market to their advantage. As a counter those same white families used leverage to eliminate the advantage of lower pay so that their kids could demand the originally desired wages.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not with 23 million unemployed in this nation....I have a feeling that the jobs would be filled within a week.
    That's if they can't complete all their calls quickly enough. A week seems like a worst case scenario.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    When it comes to pay the only "right" that a worker has is to get paid $7.25/hr. I have no problem with workers demanding a safer environment because they DO have that right. But when it comes to pay higher than the minimum wage? They had better be worth it. Not only in skill but also in work ethic, experiance, and attendence. No worker has a right to get paid more than $7.25/hr unless the minimum wage gets raised via Congress.
    Worth it? Why is only the CEO's worth unchallenged? Worth is negotiated.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Well...the discussion in this thread has gone round and round with quite a few forays into off-topic land, but when it all comes down to it my post from very early on is still the bottom line:

    "Demand in one hand and poop in the other...and see which one fills up faster"
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Viva hard work in building a successful global empire. In addition to that figure, i cant help but wonder how many people are invested that stock, how many managers have gone from unskilled employees to relatively well paid and successful individuals, how many charities they have funded, college scholarship programs they have funded, etc etc etc.

    That Sam Walton was a smart guy. Looks like a whole lot of win win win and not a small amount of competing whine whine whine.
    If people would read Sam Walton's book they would realize something, he as a CEO worked harder at all stages of his career than any of those employees asserting they "deserve" more. Just sayin'
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Bingo, and not that long of a run, either. Switching from the horse and buggy to the automobile wiped out the buggy/whip industry, the blacksmith industry, the farrier industry.... and gave us the auto industry, the drive-through industry, and a dozen others only possible because of automation. Modern Luddites are no wiser than their forebears.
    Slight correction, the blacksmith industry simply became the welding/metal fabricating industry, a necessary component of the industrial age.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Mandrigan? I binged it but all I got was "did you mean mondrian" and a bunch of hotels named Mondrian. Must not be that successfull if they don't show up in a simple one word search.
    Its Mondragon, 7th largest Spanish Company, largest in the Basque region, and extremely successfull, and a giant cooperative.
    I spelled it wrong my bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    I'm going to assume that you meant to put the word "don't" in there because otherwise it doesn't make sense. If that is what you meant then I agree. But it does prove a point doesn't it? If they closed up shop then 1.4 million people would be without a job and making NOTHING. So obviously they're more important than you think.
    Err no, if The shop unionizes the capitalist makes LESS profit, but he'll still make money so he'll still keep it open, the only time they shut down the stores is if they have thousands of stores and one unionizes and they shut it down to make an example, even though its profitable, but you can get around that through coordinated efforts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    Also I would like you to answer a question that you did not answer before. If the Walkers jobs are so unimportant and anybody here on these forums could do them...why don't you have a similar buisness making the same amount?
    Because I didn't inheret it .... And I don't have a giant amount of Capital.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've no idea what the German industry is like. I'm not German, I don't live in Germany so I don't really care what thier industry is like.
    Because hopefully you're thoughtful, poit is German industry is EXTREMELY unionized, to the point to where half of the board of directors are directly chosen by the workforce ... yet Germany is one of the industrial superpowers of the world.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I've never heard the term "democratic economy." What does it mean/how would it work?
    There are many different ways you could have that, cooperatives, co-determination, public locally accountable industry/services, and so on and so forth.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    we have a democratic economy. supply and demand are democratic principles. what you want is a socialist economy.
    That isn't a democratic economy, we have a plutocracy, i.e. an economy run by the rich, it's one dollar one vote, and whoever has the property makes the rules.

    I wnat an economy which is one person one vote, a socialist economy IS a democratic economy, by definition.

    Also no one disagrees with supply and demand principles, it's just who controls the supply and who makes the demand, the answer to both of those questions in capitalism is the capitalist and the people with the most money, the socialist answer is the people democratically.

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