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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When and where might make a difference.
    Even where and when, I was barely making enough to get by.
    Let's be clear though, these aren't jobs to live on, unless you have a dual income household.

    I did not have one, but had 3 people to support.
    At that point I changed jobs.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    If there wasn't a glut of unskilled, unemployed labor, then they might actually have to pay more and it would become important to them. Not going to happen during our lifetimes.
    If we wanted them skilled, we'd get them there. Ask yourself why we don't?

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Even where and when, I was barely making enough to get by.
    Let's be clear though, these aren't jobs to live on, unless you have a dual income household.

    I did not have one, but had 3 people to support.
    At that point I changed jobs.
    People do live on them. Lots of people do. And have trouble changing jobs.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    People do live on them. Lots of people do. And have trouble changing jobs.
    Yea but you can't expect Walmart, Yum Brands, McDonald's, Target, etc, to become so intertwined in the lives of their employees that they adjust wages based on individual living situations.
    It's unrealistic.

    The employee/employer relationship, should be at arms length, because people shouldn't be married to their jobs, especially if they're on the lower end of the wage scale.
    They can loose a lot of competitiveness in getting the most buck from their labor.

    That's why we have federal education initiatives and subsidies so people can move out of these low end jobs.
    If people don't take advantage of all things available, it's not Walmart's fault.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea but you can't expect Walmart, Yum Brands, McDonald's, Target, etc, to become so intertwined in the lives of their employees that they adjust wages based on individual living situations.
    It's unrealistic.

    The employee/employer relationship, should be at arms length, because people shouldn't be married to their jobs, especially if they're on the lower end of the wage scale.
    They can loose a lot of competitiveness in getting the most buck from their labor.

    That's why we have federal education initiatives and subsidies so people can move out of these low end jobs.
    If people don't take advantage of all things available, it's not Walmart's fault.
    Not what I said. And we've been. Cutting federal programs that help educate. More cuts are on the way. It has been part of the problem.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not what I said. And we've been. Cutting federal programs that help educate. More cuts are on the way. It has been part of the problem.
    Well, I didn't say we should necessarily cut education programs, but there are options for people in low skill/low pay jobs.
    If they choose not to take advantage of them, we should not further subsidize their choice, with artificial wage increases.

    It's entirely no productive.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well, I didn't say we should necessarily cut education programs, but there are options for people in low skill/low pay jobs.
    If they choose not to take advantage of them, we should not further subsidize their choice, with artificial wage increases.

    It's entirely no productive.
    Artificial? This implies there is something other than artificial wage choices. Frankly, there is not as set a science as you make it sound.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes they are "whining", just like people "whined" about getting rid of child labor, just like people "whined" to gain the 8 hour work day, just like people "whined" for the weekend.. They're demands are not demanding the "right to that legacy" (whatever legacy that is) they are demanding better treatment and wages.
    Also without people like these "whiners" the Walton family would never have made it, after all these "whiners" are the ones that make the company function.
    They are whining because they are working a low skilled job for decent wages, given an opportunity to advance where they would NEVER had such opportunities, and now want more. they think they are 'entitled' to more. Sorry...no dice. Low skilled retail jobs universally pay about the same whether you work for Dans Dime Store, Maverick, or WalMart. You dont get to bleat on for higher pay because the owner of the store is successful.

    YOU on the other hand are free to hire as many of them as you like and pay them whatever the **** you want. And you should. Now. Go and do.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Artificial? This implies there is something other than artificial wage choices. Frankly, there is not as set a science as you make it sound.
    It's artificial, if the wages would not be as high, sans the outcry/legislation/whatever.
    Just increasing wages, to make people feel better, makes no sense.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's artificial, if the wages would not be as high, sans the outcry/legislation/whatever.
    Just increasing wages, to make people feel better, makes no sense.
    I don't recall ever arguing "to make (anyone) feel better." It's a negotiation. Unions help with the negotiation.

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