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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    I'll say it for the 120,465th time this week. Obama promised to raise the minimum wage every year and didn't even try it once in 4 years. If the democrats thought people were enslaved by their wages, they could have fixed it. They did not.

    As for the tortuous reading of the Constitution by the left, they forget the 10th Amendment:

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea how you jumped to that conclusion.
    Your words.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, we do it to stop the thuggery of corporations, actually.

    The choice isn't between raw capitalist despotism and leftist despotism.
    Thuggery and despotism employ force and coercion, no one is forced to take a job at WalMart. Right now, a cart pusher or a greeter at WalMart earns $8 per hour. How much would you pay them if it were your business, and how much do you think the state whould force Walmart to pay for such an unskilled position. Keep in mind, thatraising the rate too much will just result in the elimination of that position or the reduction in the wages of those who do other, more skill intensive tasks.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    the issue is where the government was actually given the power. You see, under the intent of the authors, the government ONLY HAS POWER SPECIFICALLY GIVEN IT

    the Leftwing attitude that the government has ANY POWER NOT SPECIFICALLY DENIED IT is specious and contrary to the obvious intent of the founders
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I absolutely agree.

    However: It is corporations that have allowed this view to develop that somehow they can be responsive to other imperatives. These other imperatives can be classed as things which fall under the name "corporate responsibility". They have done this in order to short circuit any lawmaking which would create regulations on their behavior which would actually create new imperatives by which they would be lawfully governed. And then here you come along and basically say there is no such thing as "corporate responsibility".

    To which I again heartily agree. So, let's get back to the business of lawmaking, which will create corporate responsibility under the force of law.
    To which I have to say I heartily disagree with the highlighted statement.

    Anyway, your post seems to suggest that corporations are at fault for accepting "responsibilities" in order to avoid, I presume, more onerous responsibilities being forced upon them. Then you turn around and say that those responsibilities should be forced upon them anyway.

    Sorry, dude...you can't have it both ways.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually the issue you brought up was staying faithful to what you keep calling "market forces".
    People like him think that all market forces are benevolent to mankind. He is mistaken.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    People like him think that all market forces are benevolent to mankind. He is mistaken.
    The pay and benefit scale, at Walmart, hardly qualifies as "malevolent to mankind."
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    entry level walmart jobs are never going to pay a large salary. that being said, at minimum, workers should have more control over their hours and schedules. that's one of the worst parts of working there.

    it should also be noted that walmart is the nation's largest employer, and it depends heavily on public assistance to fill the gap for its employees. the "cheap" prices that you're paying there are only artificially so, and you pay for the true cost of the goods and labor in other ways. it's important to keep that in mind.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    To which I have to say I heartily disagree with the highlighted statement.

    Anyway, your post seems to suggest that corporations are at fault for accepting "responsibilities" in order to avoid, I presume, more onerous responsibilities being forced upon them. Then you turn around and say that those responsibilities should be forced upon them anyway.

    Sorry, dude...you can't have it both ways.

    How incredibly funny!! You say I am trying to have it both ways??? The corporations foist upon us this myth of voluntary corporate responsibility. Liberals try to cajole corporations to live by the principles of corporate responsibility and conservatives say that corporate responsibility is a myth. I acknowledge that it is indeed a myth and state that we ought to therefore institute involuntary corporate responsibility. Then you accuse ME of wanting to have it both ways? That is rich.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    entry level walmart jobs are never going to pay a large salary. that being said, at minimum, workers should have more control over their hours and schedules. that's one of the worst parts of working there.
    A job, is not an "a la carte" menu at a restaurant.
    You want work, you need to fill the hours they have open.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it should also be noted that walmart is the nation's largest employer, and it depends heavily on public assistance to fill the gap for its employees. the "cheap" prices that you're paying there are only artificially so, and you pay for the true cost of the goods and labor in other ways. it's important to keep that in mind.
    This is probably one of the dumbest arguments ever presented, that keeps getting repeated.
    What about all the employers before Walmart, who practiced this very same thing, sans public bennies.
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