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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Apropos this thread:

    Peter Suderman drops a truth-bomb on Walmart critics (with tweets) · lachlanmarkay3 · Storify

    Walmart benefits the poor. Liberals hate Walmart and sneer at the people who work and shop there. Therefore liberals hate and sneer at the poor.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The notion that hard work leads to money, in modern times, is mostly just a stupid cliche promoted by right wing pundits to encourage people to be exploited.

    In today's world, as a critical ingredient of financial success, hard work takes a significant back seat to street smarts. This is certainly true in a free market, but the US isn't even a free market, given the extent of subsidies that corporations like Wal-Mart enjoy.

    Success today is simply a matter of living by one creed: doing whatever it takes to make money. This may involve deception, extortion, theft, lobbying, and occasionally, hard work.
    Yeah....your post is stupid, cynical and bitter.
    Also more than a little untruthful. Companies that engage in those practices over and over get caught.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Tax cuts count as freebies? Doesn't this fly in the face of the conservative narrative crafted over the last 30 years or so?
    extends unemployment benefits for 13 months

    Freebee

    includes a one-year Social Security tax cut, among other measures

    SS is what you pay in you get back at some point. Not paying in and still getting the benefit is a freebee

    the taxes would have affected the middle class too if not signed in it's present state

    No taxes for the middle class, a freebee, cut taxes for everyone

    included tax breaks for millions of college students and their families and extensions of the earned income tax credit and $1,000-per-child tax credit.

    college students get freebees, tax breaks, also called subsidies, I call them freebee

    Obama is Santa Clause, of course all the freebees he loves to give out are at the expense of someone else. And to make matters worse he helps pay for all his freebees by borrowing a trillion plus each yr driving our national debt to levels that will destroy this country.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    As far as I can tell, the only companies that can get away with that are entry level, no-skill-needed employers. Those types of jobs will never pay well, nor should they. I cant imagine that there are too many high skilled jobs that are cuting people to part time as a general stratagy. You can lose an unskilled employee without any real loss to your business since there is another ready to take his place. If you want to increase the pay for the unskilled, the only way to do that is to have fewer of them, thus making scarcity the engine of higher pay. But I dont see that happening any time soon. If ever.
    I think that is inaccurate. I was just looking at a chart in class (one I sit in on to help students with note taking and reading) showing that real wages have gone down significantly (while CEO salaries have grow from 20X worker salaries to some 671 X more).

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    Oh, I see. Hostess went out of business because its evil, greedy, capitalist slave driving management wanted to keep all the money and pay the workers $1 per hour. Is that what your left wing BS blogs have told you?
    Pretty close. CEO salaries were quite high. And for all that money, they didn't keep the company solvent.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The notion that hard work leads to money, in modern times, is mostly just a stupid cliche promoted by right wing pundits to encourage people to be exploited.

    In today's world, as a critical ingredient of financial success, hard work takes a significant back seat to street smarts. This is certainly true in a free market, but the US isn't even a free market, given the extent of subsidies that corporations like Wal-Mart enjoy.

    Success today is simply a matter of living by one creed: doing whatever it takes to make money. This may involve deception, extortion, theft, lobbying, and occasionally, hard work.
    Fortunately, there are a lot of successful people out there who don't agree with your creed...people who still have ethics and morals. I'll admit, though, that people like you make it hard for better people to survive.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Perhaps you should be clear about just what kind of government subsidies you are talking about, as well as just what kind of effect Walmart has on what kind of government entitlements.

    That way we'll all be on the same sheet of music.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Thoughts anyone?
    Yes, if they want more pay, then maybe they should do something to earn it. If the only job they can qualify for is unskilled labor at walmart, it is not walmart's fault, it is not societies fault, it is the individuals fault. Walmart pays what the market bears. If they had a shortage of workers, then they would pay more to draw them in. Considering the rather low (abysmal is more like it) quality of the labor they do get in a lot of cases, they pay way too much for it. Unfortunately, the availability of quality employee's is rather low while there is an overabundance of under-educated undisciplined near useless people available, so that is what they have to hire. Customer service at walmart is not the fault of the companies policies, it is the fault of the low quality of available employees who concern themselves with "whats in it for me" instead of providing quality service to their employer.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    That doesn't mean the cashiers experience accumulated over time doesn't equal a benefit to the company.
    Be realistic. There is a very quick plateau for cashiers in terms of "accumulated experience". It is not a deep career or skillset, and there is nothing wrong with that. I was a cashier/stocker for two years. I was a bank teller for two (glorified cashier). I'm not silly enough to claim that in 10 years I would be worth a lot more to the company however. There are plenty of entry-level people looking for entry-level jobs. You could look at it from the reverse perspective, you cheat entry-level candidates of that entry-level position if you park yourself at a job that plateaus in a few years, but you make it your "career" instead.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What is 'more' greedy...a family who through hard work created an empire (which also BTW creates substantial wealth for others) or whiny people thinking they somehow have a right to that legacy?
    Yes they are "whining", just like people "whined" about getting rid of child labor, just like people "whined" to gain the 8 hour work day, just like people "whined" for the weekend.. They're demands are not demanding the "right to that legacy" (whatever legacy that is) they are demanding better treatment and wages.
    Also without people like these "whiners" the Walton family would never have made it, after all these "whiners" are the ones that make the company function.


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