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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I agree with you on all accounts.

    At the same time I don't see why labor as a commodity shouldn't be able to collectively bargain for a fair price. They are an input just like wheat or steel. I agree with you...becoming irreplacable on an individual level is great advice. That doesn't mean they shouldn't improve their bargaining position by joining together.
    Where the difference comes in, is that if all of the steel or wheat providers got together and set the price,
    they would be breaking the law.
    It also restricts the freedom of someone who might be willing to work for less.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    BS, total unadulterated BS, working harder than required is how people get ahead, its how people earn promotions.
    The notion that hard work leads to money, in modern times, is mostly just a stupid cliche promoted by right wing pundits to encourage people to be exploited.

    In today's world, as a critical ingredient of financial success, hard work takes a significant back seat to street smarts. This is certainly true in a free market, but the US isn't even a free market, given the extent of subsidies that corporations like Wal-Mart enjoy.

    Success today is simply a matter of living by one creed: doing whatever it takes to make money. This may involve deception, extortion, theft, lobbying, and occasionally, hard work.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure...but the next level means different things. If someone is a great cashier they may not have the skill set to manage other cashiers. That does require different skills. That doesn't mean the cashiers experience accumulated over time doesn't equal a benefit to the company.

    Best example I can think of...went to a resturaunt this weekend and put in my order. My mom's meal took awhile for them to prepare. I never complained, never said anything to the waiter but he apologized and took the cost of the meal off. I will be going back to that resturaunt. I would of never complained. I would of waited, been aggrevated and would of probably never went back to the resturaunt again because in my mind their service would of sucked. Instead I'm a happy customer. The waiter was an older gentleman. Probably been a waiter for a very long time and was very good at it. He saved them a customer. He may not have the skill set to run a resturaunt but if I had some run of the mill waiter they would of lost my business for the rest of my life. He adds value to that company
    Pretty excellent example.

    If the waiter was as good as you said, he should be compensated. He should get more tables, which will mean more money for him. If he is at full capacity on the number of tables he can handle, then he should move to a more elegant restaurant with better fair. That will increase his tips and he will be making more money.

    However, if he not as good as a waiter in a more elegant environment, he will not make more money. Cream rises to the top.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Pretty excellent example.

    If the waiter was as good as you said, he should be compensated. He should get more tables, which will mean more money for him. If he is at full capacity on the number of tables he can handle, then he should move to a more elegant restaurant with better fair. That will increase his tips and he will be making more money.

    However, if he not as good as a waiter in a more elegant environment, he will not make more money. Cream rises to the top.
    Cream only rises to the top in a pure, unmonopolistic (and unmonopsonistic) free market. The US today isn't even remote close to that.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Cream only rises to the top in a pure, unmonopolistic (and unmonopsonistic) free market. The US today isn't even remote close to that.
    In your opinion, the waiter in this example cannot leverage his good work and get a better job paying more or more opportunities to wait on more tables?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Cream only rises to the top in a pure, unmonopolistic (and unmonopsonistic) free market. The US today isn't even remote close to that.
    Nor will the US, or any other country, EVER come close to that.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    In your opinion, the waiter in this example cannot leverage his good work and get a better job paying more or more opportunities to wait on more tables?
    Never. If he wants to get a better waiting job, he needs to get to know the manager/employees of a better restaurant or their (Facebook) friends on a personal level.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    Exactly how is the government subsidizing walmart?
    Report says Wal-Mart received $1B in government subsidies. - May. 24, 2004

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    We obviously don't. I want a democratic economy ...
    I've never heard the term "democratic economy." What does it mean/how would it work?

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    They must think they are the NFL or something.

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