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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where in the US Constitution does it say our legal and social system is to be a slave to what you call "market forces"?
    So you're suggesting we get rid of our social welfare system?
    Yikes, not even I propose that.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What is a fair pay and benefit "package" for a low/semi-skilled worker? If all low/semi-skilled U.S. labor paid enough to warrant a "middle class" lifestyle then why should one bother to graduate HS, get additional job skills and become more productive? If a McWorker gets a "living wage" then why become a McManager, electrician, carpenter, engineer or any other skilled worker?
    Did you just scare quotes "living wage!?"

    And did you also then ask the question "but why would anyone want more money if they're already (barely) surviving!?"

    I don't know. Why would a CEO make millions when they can live a middle-class lifestyle off 50k?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Employees have the individual liberty to group together to fight for better working conditions. Your libertarianism is selective, apparently.
    Our course they have that option, just as an employer can have the option of saying "you're fired, get out."
    Free association is a beautiful thing.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Did you just scare quotes "living wage!?"

    And did you also then ask the question "but why would anyone want more money if they're already (barely) surviving!?"

    I don't know. Why would a CEO make millions when they can live a middle-class lifestyle off 50k?
    They aren't "barely surviving."
    That's a gross exaggeration.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If people wont do things the way we think they ought to be done we will force them to do it. Thuggery at its finest. So much for a free society, bring on the leftist despotism.
    No, we do it to stop the thuggery of corporations, actually.

    The choice isn't between raw capitalist despotism and leftist despotism.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Employees have the individual liberty to group together to fight for better working conditions. Your libertarianism is selective, apparently.
    No, I have never argued against the right of workers to organize.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Our nation was founded upon the principle of individual liberty. The Constitution is there to protect that liberty. The free market is just liberty in the field of economics. It is you and I engaging in the free exchange of value for value. But as usual, you have the question backwards.
    Really?!?!?!?!? I thought our entire governmental system was built upon the desire to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty.

    We both seem to include the liberty part but for some reason you left out a whole lot of other really important stuff.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    My daughter worked there part time while going to college, as a cashier....
    if an item didn't have a price tag she would ask the customer how much it was, and rung it up...unless it looked like a high priced item. Her line was always among the fastest at getting the customer checked out. They liked her, and wanted her to stay after college, and with her degree in economics she probably would have done well there. But her husband's job was farm building construction and they had to travel too much for her to take the WalMart job.
    Now he has his own construction company, with a partner, and is doing well enough to put a 1/3 down payment on his own building, so no more renting....and she has a successful website business, with a partner, that makes very good money working from home.
    AND STILL she hasn't bought me a jaguar.....
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the issue is where the government was actually given the power. You see, under the intent of the authors, the government ONLY HAS POWER SPECIFICALLY GIVEN IT

    the Leftwing attitude that the government has ANY POWER NOT SPECIFICALLY DENIED IT is specious and contrary to the obvious intent of the founders
    Actually the issue you brought up was staying faithful to what you keep calling "market forces".
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So you're suggesting we get rid of our social welfare system?
    Yikes, not even I propose that.

    I didn't think you were a minarchist
    I have no idea how you jumped to that conclusion.

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