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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well it's pretty accepted across the board in economics. The relationship between productivity and wages is pretty much a core principle.

    As for the efficient methods and equipment...that's generally how productivity increases. The industrial revolution was based on mechanization and led to a massive productivity increase...and led to higher wages as well.
    But workers have chosen the safety of an hourly rate over the piece mill rate for their compensation.
    This choice has been codified into law as the minimum wage.
    The piece mill rate can pay better, but has some of the same risks as the plant owner.
    People choose the smaller steady check over the bigger check with risks.
    The plant owner assumes the risks, and gets the reward if any.
    The labor cost are reduced to a commodity.
    I have always told students, when they get to a company, try to make themselves a resource,
    as commodities are replaceable.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Leadership traits are different than being good at whatever frontline work someone does. Leadership positions are paid better but the skills required are different. The Rockefeller quote that to me is relevant.



    Someone can be very very very good at their job but not necessarily someone that is cut out to be in a leadership position. They also should be rewarded for doing what they do well.
    Shouldn't we expect all of our employees to be very good at their job? And then shouldn't we promote the ones who are capable to move to the next level?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure that's reality. Ever since unions have been smashed by conservatives rising productivity hasn't meant rising wages. Hence the stagnant wages for decades that conservatives pretend to care about. Typically wages should rise with productivity...that's the whole "trick down" theory which has been thoroughly discredited.

    Bussiness owners are well compensated for taking risk. In what reality is that not the case? Better yet...how many fortune 500 companies are ran by managment that had any part in the founding of the companies they run?
    So exactly what is it that you want? Do you want labor to determine how much they are paid? do you want to govt to set wages for all jobs? do you want the govt to confiscate profits from all businesses? Tell me exactly what you want? and "living wage" is not an answer--thats a BS cop out.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    We obviously don't. I want a democratic economy ...
    we have a democratic economy. supply and demand are democratic principles. what you want is a socialist economy.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    We obviously don't. I want a democratic economy ...
    There's no such thing as a "democratic" economy. Democracy is a system of government, not economics.


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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    So exactly what is it that you want? Do you want labor to determine how much they are paid? do you want to govt to set wages for all jobs? do you want the govt to confiscate profits from all businesses? Tell me exactly what you want? and "living wage" is not an answer--thats a BS cop out.
    I want labor to be in a better bargaining position than they are currently. That's it. Organized workers can bargain as a whole and get a higher portion of the profits...which they deserve. Bargaining still occurs. Wages are still set by how profitable a company is, workers just have more power when wages are decided.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Shouldn't we expect all of our employees to be very good at their job? And then shouldn't we promote the ones who are capable to move to the next level?
    Sure...but the next level means different things. If someone is a great cashier they may not have the skill set to manage other cashiers. That does require different skills. That doesn't mean the cashiers experience accumulated over time doesn't equal a benefit to the company.

    Best example I can think of...went to a resturaunt this weekend and put in my order. My mom's meal took awhile for them to prepare. I never complained, never said anything to the waiter but he apologized and took the cost of the meal off. I will be going back to that resturaunt. I would of never complained. I would of waited, been aggrevated and would of probably never went back to the resturaunt again because in my mind their service would of sucked. Instead I'm a happy customer. The waiter was an older gentleman. Probably been a waiter for a very long time and was very good at it. He saved them a customer. He may not have the skill set to run a resturaunt but if I had some run of the mill waiter they would of lost my business for the rest of my life. He adds value to that company
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    But workers have chosen the safety of an hourly rate over the piece mill rate for their compensation.
    This choice has been codified into law as the minimum wage.
    The piece mill rate can pay better, but has some of the same risks as the plant owner.
    People choose the smaller steady check over the bigger check with risks.
    The plant owner assumes the risks, and gets the reward if any.
    The labor cost are reduced to a commodity.
    I have always told students, when they get to a company, try to make themselves a resource,
    as commodities are replaceable.
    I agree with you on all accounts.

    At the same time I don't see why labor as a commodity shouldn't be able to collectively bargain for a fair price. They are an input just like wheat or steel. I agree with you...becoming irreplacable on an individual level is great advice. That doesn't mean they shouldn't improve their bargaining position by joining together.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    I look at it like this, we have risk takers and wage earners.
    The risk takers put their livelihood on the line every single month.
    The know they can work hard enough, sell enough product,
    fix enough widgets to make their bills each month.
    I am a wage earner, I like a safe steady paycheck, and I understand their are limitations
    that come with that choice.
    I understand myself enough to know I am not built for the stress and risk of self employment.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The way for the worker to "get more" in the real world is to become more proficient at his job, accept more responsibility, and get promoted -- or, even more likely -- to get a job at another company using the skills he's learned to advance his career.

    Unions, on the other hand, reward . . . what? They don't reward ingenuity. In fact, your ingenuity isn't even welcome. They don't reward accepting more responsibility. In fact, you'd better not take on more responsibility than your job classification requires. They don't reward working faster or better. In fact, you'd better not make the rate change on a job. Unions reward length of service. Whoop-dee-freakin-doo.

    I just don't get it. What a way to reward a worker. What a fine way to work together with a company to help them be profitable. Whoosh.
    It gets better. The Union will hold the opinion that the worker should NOT be more productive, because that would only help the evil corporation in the end.
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