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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    If the unions were to sign up all of the millions of walmart employees---would the union make money? Would the union bosses get higher pay? Would the walmart customers pay higher prices?

    Your position on this is foolish and uninformed. We have laws on the books in every state to protect workers from abuse and poor working conditions, unions do nothing but inflate prices and fill their own pockets.
    The Union may or may not make more money depending on the costs .. the Union bosses ... probably not, unless the workers elected them to have a higher pay, and as for the customers, not necessarily, although walmart unionizing would put upward pressure on wages all around.

    Unions don't infate prices higher than the wages they gain.

    Your assuming
    A: people are not saving any money
    B: consumption for necessary goods are unlimited (they arn't you can only eat so much food, a middle class household won't buy extra houses if they have some extra cash)
    C: Your assuming That supply won't meet demand (of coarse it will move in that direction)
    D: Your also leaving out tons of other factors, for example people with disposable income and more time can shop around more, thus putting a downward pressure, or the fact that they don't spend extra money on things like food or electricity, but rather more luxury goods, or say the fact that higher wages may mean you only need one person working rather than 2 and so on and so forth."

    And when people have money to spend you have an incentive for investment to meet that demand, thus all teh excess capacity gets put to use ... thats where the production comes from ... We HAVE excess capacity, get that through your head, the capital is there, but without demand there is no incentive to put people to work.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    Union membership has declined because a lot of workers finally realized that the unions were screwing them and that they did not need to have money taken from every paycheck to pay the fatcat labor bosses who were doing nothing for them.
    So it just so happened that that "realization" came after Reagen stopped enforcing labor laws?

    Also polls show that many many workers would LIKE to join a union but don't have that option.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Several ways actually. The big ones are FIT, EITC, SNAP, PPACA, educational subsidies and other "public assistance" given based on "low" income. What many here seem to say is that any job should pay a "living wage", thus the "answer" is to make a McJob sufficient to support a family. Of course, that would simply mean a never ending cycle of inflation and minimum wages increases or direct gov't subsidies to "make up the difference". What seems to be missing is why anyone is "limitted to" working a single entry level low/semi-skilled job for life. The minimum wage has been basically static (adjusted for inflation) since 1970, yet only now do we see a McJob as a "carreer".
    Thats an old story that has been debunked several times. If a person does not like what walmart offers in terms of pay and benefits, no one is forcing them to work there. If you don't like the govt giveaways to low income people, tell your congressman.

    But the fact remains, low skilled jobs merit low pay. Supply and demand---face it. Its not the govt's job to make us all equal in terms of pay and material stuff.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hmm..you're talking about a few people vs a million people. Lets try and keep things in perspective here shall we? If the same number of employee's died as there are Waltons Wal-Mart would be just fine.

    And no, Wal-mart would not be just fine if the Waltons died. It would create instability, stocks would go down and its quite possible that the next person to inherit would try and liquidate everything. Baring that the next person in control could just reduce everyone's paycheck down to minimum wage and take away all but federally mandated benefits.
    Lets say they die and walmart gets handed over to the employees ... it would sitll work fine.

    Eitherway, caliming the Waltons are actually contributing into the production of walmart profits what they are taking out is insane.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Several ways actually. The big ones are FIT, EITC, SNAP, PPACA, educational subsidies and other "public assistance" given based on "low" income. What many here seem to say is that any job should pay a "living wage", thus the "answer" is to make a McJob sufficient to support a family. Of course, that would simply mean a never ending cycle of inflation and minimum wages increases or direct gov't subsidies to "make up the difference". What seems to be missing is why anyone is "limitted to" working a single entry level low/semi-skilled job for life. The minimum wage has been basically static (adjusted for inflation) since 1970, yet only now do we see a McJob as a "carreer".
    Right you are. Our entitlement programs are designed to help exactly these people. To say that WalMart is subsidized by our entitlement programs, one must have to believe that every restaurant, every fast-food outlet, every gas station, every convenience store, every other retail store in the United States, every bowling alley, every skating rink, every (I think you get picture) are also subsidized by our entitlement programs. That would be true. And that's not a bad thing. That's a boogey-man waiting to pounce. That's the way the system was set up.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    The Union may or may not make more money depending on the costs .. the Union bosses ... probably not, unless the workers elected them to have a higher pay, and as for the customers, not necessarily, although walmart unionizing would put upward pressure on wages all around.

    Unions don't infate prices higher than the wages they gain.

    Your assuming
    A: people are not saving any money
    B: consumption for necessary goods are unlimited (they arn't you can only eat so much food, a middle class household won't buy extra houses if they have some extra cash)
    C: Your assuming That supply won't meet demand (of coarse it will move in that direction)
    D: Your also leaving out tons of other factors, for example people with disposable income and more time can shop around more, thus putting a downward pressure, or the fact that they don't spend extra money on things like food or electricity, but rather more luxury goods, or say the fact that higher wages may mean you only need one person working rather than 2 and so on and so forth."

    And when people have money to spend you have an incentive for investment to meet that demand, thus all teh excess capacity gets put to use ... thats where the production comes from ... We HAVE excess capacity, get that through your head, the capital is there, but without demand there is no incentive to put people to work.
    ridiculous--unions have no "costs". strike funds etc are funded by the members, the more members, the more money for the bosses. Why do you support making union bosses very rich? I thought you guys hated rich people.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, I see!!! Now I understand!!! Companies don't create jobs!!! Jesus. Get a clue.
    Some companies do, on net, create jobs. Some don't. Some even reduce the number of jobs... In fact, you already know this, so your derision toward me should now feel very hollow to you.

    The assumption that just because a company is successful it creates jobs is just stupidly wrong.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    ridiculous--unions have no "costs". strike funds etc are funded by the members, the more members, the more money for the bosses. Why do you support making union bosses very rich? I thought you guys hated rich people.
    Yes they do, paying out union funds are costs ... also all the revenue comes from the members too, legal costs, logistics and so on.

    Also what part of democtratically determined compensation don't you get.

    Also no we don't hate rich people.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, since that's a very poor answer, I'll help you: Unions have been spreading misinformation about WalMart for years. They salivate at the thought of 1.5 million union members paying their $15-$20 a month into their organizations. They will say anything, do anything, lie, misinform and go to the ends of the earth to enroll them as dues' paying members. They hope that by getting that cork out of the bottle? They will be restored to greatness. I guess we'll see.
    do you deny that walmart has screwed people out of overtime? do you deny the fact that walmart has been fined(a mere pittance to them) many, many times for being in violation of their employees right to unionize? misinformation? hardly

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    ridiculous--unions have no "costs". strike funds etc are funded by the members, the more members, the more money for the bosses. Why do you support making union bosses very rich? I thought you guys hated rich people.
    your ignorance on this subject continues to show

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