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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    not exactly a legitimate governmental power

    "corporate responsibility" tends to be a code name socialists use to redistribute wealth contrary to market forces
    Where in the US Constitution does it say our legal and social system is to be a slave to what you call "market forces"?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where in the US Constitution does it say our legal and social system is to be a slave to what you call "market forces"?
    more importantly, where was the power to give the federal government such jurisdiction plainly delegated. remember, the intent was to have a limited federal government, restrained to acting only in the specific areas where power was clearly delegated.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more importantly, where was the power to give the federal government such jurisdiction plainly delegated. remember, the intent was to have a limited federal government, restrained to acting only in the specific areas where power was clearly delegated.
    what are you referring to when you use the term SUCH JURISDICTION?

    I take it your inability to answer my question

    Where in the US Constitution does it say our legal and social system is to be a slave to what you call "market forces"?

    shows clearly that you are unable to find any passage which does just that. And thus your devotion to what you call "market forces" is personally ideological and has no legal or Constitutional basis.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I absolutely agree.

    However: It is corporations that have allowed this view to develop that somehow they can be responsive to other imperatives. These other imperatives can be classed as things which fall under the name "corporate responsibility". They have done this in order to short circuit any lawmaking which would create regulations on their behavior which would actually create new imperatives by which they would be lawfully governed. And then here you come along and basically say there is no such thing as "corporate responsibility".

    To which I again heartily agree. So, let's get back to the business of lawmaking, which will create corporate responsibility under the force of law.
    If people wont do things the way we think they ought to be done we will force them to do it. Thuggery at its finest. So much for a free society, bring on the leftist despotism.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where in the US Constitution does it say our legal and social system is to be a slave to what you call "market forces"?
    Our nation was founded upon the principle of individual liberty. The Constitution is there to protect that liberty. The free market is just liberty in the field of economics. It is you and I engaging in the free exchange of value for value. But as usual, you have the question backwards.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Our nation was founded upon the principle of individual liberty. The Constitution is there to protect that liberty. The free market is just liberty in the field of economics. It is you and I engaging in the free exchange of value for value. But as usual, you have the question backwards.
    Employees have the individual liberty to group together to fight for better working conditions. Your libertarianism is selective, apparently.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, in the libertarian universe of unicorns and fairies, this is how it would work. In the real world, Wal-Mart does not work this way.



    How come your free market economics support is so selective? If employees feel their current work situation is unfair and that the company is exploiting them, why shouldn't they get together and try and change it?
    What is a fair pay and benefit "package" for a low/semi-skilled worker? If all low/semi-skilled U.S. labor paid enough to warrant a "middle class" lifestyle then why should one bother to graduate HS, get additional job skills and become more productive? If a McWorker gets a "living wage" then why become a McManager, electrician, carpenter, engineer or any other skilled worker?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    what are you referring to when you use the term SUCH JURISDICTION?

    I take it your inability to answer my question

    Where in the US Constitution does it say our legal and social system is to be a slave to what you call "market forces"?

    shows clearly that you are unable to find any passage which does just that. And thus your devotion to what you call "market forces" is personally ideological and has no legal or Constitutional basis.
    the issue is where the government was actually given the power. You see, under the intent of the authors, the government ONLY HAS POWER SPECIFICALLY GIVEN IT

    the Leftwing attitude that the government has ANY POWER NOT SPECIFICALLY DENIED IT is specious and contrary to the obvious intent of the founders

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Employees have the individual liberty to group together to fight for better working conditions. Your libertarianism is selective, apparently.
    sure they do-that is the right of association

    and an employer should have the equal right to be able to non-associate with those who join a union and fire them

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not exactly a legitimate governmental power

    "corporate responsibility" tends to be a code name socialists use to redistribute wealth contrary to market forces
    Specific market forces, actually. These:

    • Market power
    • Information asymmetry


    These are the two of the market forces that cause free markets to malfunction and behave less free and less efficiently than they would otherwise. "Socialists", as you call them, correct the effects of these bad market forces through the law. A very legitimate function of government.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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