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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'm sure that's nice for you. But for lower-income families like mine, Wal-Mart was a huge saver.
    it is, as i know that those machines cost someone a job....if given the choice, i will always pick a human to scan my merchandise.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    it is, as i know that those machines cost someone a job....if given the choice, i will always pick a human to scan my merchandise.
    That argument is as false now as it was when it was originally made in the Industrial Revolution. Machines do not net cost jobs - by increasing relative productivity they increase net jobs. In this particular case, it was government that cost jobs by causing machines to suddenly have greater relative productivity than workers.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That argument is as false now as it was when it was originally made in the Industrial Revolution. Machines do not net cost jobs - by increasing relative productivity they increase net jobs. In this particular case, it was government that cost jobs by causing machines to suddenly have greater relative productivity than workers.
    disagree, that machine produces no product, nor does it 'provide' a service, it allows the company to either not hire someone to man that aisle, or not schedule someone to run it. hence, costing someone a job or income.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'm sure that's nice for you. But for lower-income families like mine, Wal-Mart was a huge saver.
    that is a point that so many miss....WalMart prices are not just lower, they are a LOT lower.
    If you are living on low wages from where-ever, WalMart is the place to go. They are consistently cheaper, on the same items that the other stores carry. The difference is so much that it makes you wonder how the other stores can charge so much and still call themselves Discount stores...
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    the consequences will be people will only be able to afford the basics(if that)...there will be no ependable income, businesses will go belly up because people have no income to spend on 'extras'....more people on the dole, more bitching by those on the right about 'entitlements', more bitching about unemployment benefits...oh joy.....
    What is wrong with that? That is exactly what the minimum wage is all about. The idea is to allow those with little or no job skills to survive, yet to encourage people to acquire more education/skills/job experience and increase their productivity/wages. If every McJob paid a "middle class" or "living wage" then there is far less incentive to accel. Working at a minimum wage, entry level position is designed to be a beginning, not an end.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Since the option is not to work at all, absolutely.
    Yes, that is how the power is used. But that does not address if we really want to lower our standard of living. Do we really want to be closer to a third world country?

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    disagree, that machine produces no product, nor does it 'provide' a service, it allows the company to either not hire someone to man that aisle, or not schedule someone to run it. hence, costing someone a job or income.
    Not to be a Luddite, but I can agree on this particular issue. I have Parkinson's, and it impacts my manual dexterity quite a bit. I drop things, so I want THEM to bag my groceries.....
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    disagree, that machine produces no product, nor does it 'provide' a service, it allows the company to either not hire someone to man that aisle, or not schedule someone to run it. hence, costing someone a job or income.
    No, it frees up that labor to do other, more valuable things. What is the value added by having a person replace a machine? Does it help to have a housewife spend time doing the dishes by hand, or is it better to have a dishwashing machine, allowing that person to dedicate more time to other tasks, such as helping their children learn or play more safely?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    the consequences will be people will only be able to afford the basics(if that)...there will be no ependable income, businesses will go belly up because people have no income to spend on 'extras'....more people on the dole, more bitching by those on the right about 'entitlements', more bitching about unemployment benefits...oh joy.....
    Retail has always been low paying, part time entry level work, and always will be, so you can drop the drama. The sky will not fall if WalMart employees only make $10 per hour.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No, it frees up that labor to do other, more valuable things. What is the value added by having a person replace a machine? Does it help to have a housewife spend time doing the dishes by hand, or is it better to have a dishwashing machine allowing that person to dedicate more time to other tasks, such as helping their children learn or play more safely?
    doesnt work that way, that 'labor', that 'person' who would have been there to run that aisle, isnt utilized...they don't work, and whatever duties they would have had, are added on to those who do work that day.

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