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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually they don't need "you". They just need someone to do the job. And there is always someone willing to work that job at the pay they offer. If there wasn't then they would just increase the pay rate until someone did take the job. That's how the market works.
    If every Walton died tomorrow, leaving behind all the assets and capital, Walmart would be fine ... If every Walmart employee, or not even employee, Janitor died tomorrow Walmart would have major problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Not to the level that Walmart is. Now, I'm aware that the SBA and other government organizations exist to help businesses get off the ground, but once you get to a certain point, you're cut off. Walmart is far beyond that point.

    They're also a big union target because they essentially ask for it. I've seen Walmart recruitment and employee training videos, and I've met many employees. I've never seen a company work so hard to prevent unions. Hell, I...well, we'll say "dated" for politically correct purposes...a girl who said that she was hanging out in the parking lot after hours with a couple other employees. They were smoking, chit-chatting, just carrying on like normal people do. Apparently a manager saw this on tape and called Bentonville to the HQ (as required by company policy) and reported it as "union creation activity". Apparently a few weeks later, some stuffed shirt flew in from Arkansas and droned on some anti-union rant. Seems like slight overkill for such a situation, but the vitriol Walmart has against unions is bordering paranoia. It makes me wonder why they're against it so much.
    I knew people who made a living out of giving advice to small companies who wanted to stop the union from coming in to their businesses. Their standard line of advice to the owner was simple: give your employees as good of a deal as they can get in a union shop - maybe even better in some ways and your employees will never see a need for the union. Wal Mart seems to reject this approach in favor of of Big Brother techniques and intimidation. Which then makes then hated even more.

    If you went around the nation and took a survey asking this question - WHICH NATIONAL COMPANY DO YOU REFUSE TO PATRONIZE BECUAE YOU HAVE STRONG DIFFERENCE OF OPINION WITH HOW THE COMPANY OPERATES? is there any doubt who would win going away? I cannot even think of a company which would finish second.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    If every Walton died tomorrow, leaving behind all the assets and capital, Walmart would be fine ... If every Walmart employee, or not even employee, Janitor died tomorrow Walmart would have major problems.

    Not with 23 million unemployed in this nation....I have a feeling that the jobs would be filled within a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not with 23 million unemployed in this nation....I have a feeling that the jobs would be filled within a week.
    I'm pretty sure anyone here could to the Walton families job also ...

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    I'm pretty sure anyone here could to the Walton families job also ...

    Well, then I just don't know what to say to someone who truly thinks that....It is stunningly ignorant.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, then I just don't know what to say to someone who truly thinks that....It is stunningly ignorant.
    Not really ... Either way my origional point stands.

    Andway ... as was said before, if these workers want to get better conditions, they have to do industrial action.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    That's fine, don't have any regard for them and you don't have to sympathize with them or empathize with them. But the very least you can do is understand what's going on. We're talking about Walmart employees who protest their jobs yet keep them, in case you've forgotten. People are motivated by fear - fear of the unknown, fear of losing their money or their friends or their house. Walmart will hire you if you don't have a solid education or proficient skills, they'll still hire you when a lot of other companies won't. And it's NOT because they think you'd make a great employee, it's because they hire people who can be paid minimum wage and get the shaft in every aspect of their employment and still not quit or even demand a raise. Most don't stick around too long but many of them do and of those that do are afraid of what I mentioned before: loss and discomfort. That's human, dawg. That's what we all do.

    When a woman can't bring herself to leave her abusive husband, do you say you have little regard for her and that if she was really abused she would have divorced him? Yes, that's a long way away from working at Walmart, but the important thing is that many (or arguably most) people find it impossible to make big changes in their lives, even when that change would greatly benefit them in the long run. And just because they are afraid to change doesn't mean that they should be exploited for that inability.



    I used to work at Whole Foods and it's pretty close to how I described it. And no, I am not saying that Walmart employees are a lower class of people. I would say that the average Walmart employee is a lot more down to earth and the average Whole Foods employee is a lot more open minded. Those personality traits are irrelevant to the discussion except to provide an answer to your question.

    But what I was getting at was what I wrote in response to the Harry Guerilla. And as to your last sentence, Walmart's board of directors have a responsibility as a group of human beings to treat their employees reasonably well and make sure they have opportunities to improve their lives whether that means a wage increase, benefits, time off, education, or just compassion and the willingness to assist the individuals they employ and the community in which they exist. Somebody who works at a group home may have a job that consists entirely of feeding and clothing a disabled individual. But when that disabled individual is approaching the end of their life, the responsibility we all have as a human being is to help that individual in any way we can (again, within reason) no matter what our job description says. If corporations are people, they sure don't know how to show their feelings.
    As has been shown to you, it seems Walmart does meet this "responsibility"...however, I disagree that any such responsibility exists. Now, it's evident that Walmart provides some of these things you desire, but when you really get down to it, the only thing Walmart is responsible to do is provide an agreed upon wage for an agreed upon portion of work. Everything else is gravy and there is no social or legal requirement that Walmart provide any of those things...regardless the desires that arise from your liberal mindset...except, of course, such things liberals have managed to get the government to enact...such as Obamacare.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Not really ... Either way my origional point stands.

    Andway ... as was said before, if these workers want to get better conditions, they have to do industrial action.
    What "conditions" are you babbling about? Walmart employees generally work in a fixed location, environmentally controlled (indoors) and under the same "conditions" as its customers endure to shop. If they feel that they have job skills that merit more pay/better benefits, or desire a different work schedule, then they are free to accept job offers elsewhere.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What "conditions" are you babbling about? Walmart employees generally work in a fixed location, environmentally controlled (indoors) and under the same "conditions" as its customers endure to shop. If they feel that they have job skills that merit more pay/better benefits, or desire a different work schedule, then they are free to accept job offers elsewhere.
    Better pay, healthcare benefits and so on. Sure they can apply for work elsewhere, but they have to see if there ARE jobs first, and then if they just want to give up on their job now.

    What would probably be better in the long run, is organizing to take control of you're workplace.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Better pay, healthcare benefits and so on. Sure they can apply for work elsewhere, but they have to see if there ARE jobs first, and then if they just want to give up on their job now.

    What would probably be better in the long run, is organizing to take control of you're workplace.
    Name one direct competitor of Walmart (e.g. Target, Kmart and etc.) that has gone this union labor route or offers significantly better pay/benefits. Remember that Walmart is a high volume, discount store, not a high end outlet that has a huge mark-up or profit margin.
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