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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    I generally don't like expressing the more hard-line aspects of my sort of Marxism, but, in this case, they're past due.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    WalMart does indeed give back....the first thing they do is to offer products at an affordable price that allows those in the lower rungs of the economic ladder to have much that they wouldn't have otherwise. The larger picture that WalMart does is evident in their response to Katrina, and Sandy.
    All while subjecting their workers to the tyrannies of private ownership. WalMart is a massive, unaccountable beast that can, and will, set their wages at whatever level they please(provided it's above minimum wage, which needs to be raised).

    WalMart workers create income for those at the top, all while living under their thumb.

    "Over the next few days, Wal-Mart's response to Katrina -- an unrivaled $20 million in cash donations, 1,500 truckloads of free merchandise, food for 100,000 meals and the promise of a job for every one of its displaced workers -- has turned the chain into an unexpected lifeline for much of the Southeast and earned it near-universal praise at a time when the company is struggling to burnish its image."

    Wal-Mart at Forefront of Hurricane Relief

    "What we're doing to help
    Some examples of the disaster relief efforts we've been involved in so far include:

    Working with the American Red Cross to help support disaster shelter operations by donating essential items (water, food, snack items, personal care products, diapers, blankets) to serve those displaced by Hurricane Sandy.
    Pledging up to $1.5 million to our disaster relief partners (American Red Cross, Salvation Army, Feeding America) to help with relief efforts in the hardest hit areas to ensure the essential needs of residents are being met.
    Facilitating numerous requests from several government officials in the impacted areas, such as Mayor Booker in Newark, Governor Christie of NJ and Mayor Bloomberg in NYC. Those requests have ranged from transporting generators to schools and hospitals in the city of New York last night to delivering about a million bottles of water throughout the northeast.
    By teaming up with a number of our suppliers, we are working to lend an extra hand to the areas that need our support. Some examples of what we're doing include:

    JOHNSONVILLE: On Nov. 9-11, we're hosting the World's Largest Grill in select New York store parking lots to serve hot meals for those affected by or responding to the devastation and mass power outages of Hurricane Sandy. Our supplier Johnsonville is bringing the brats and the grill, the stores and clubs are providing the buns and drinks and our associates are volunteering to help feed the community.
    Additionally, Sam's Clubs in the Northeast are also offering cell phone recharging stations and temporarily waiving membership fees to those areas affected by the storm."

    Walmart Corporate - Hurricane Sandy Disaster Response
    They donate to charity. Big deal. So do most people.

    Ok? so what would you like to see?
    What I'd like to see is WalMart raising their minimum wage such that all full-time employees live above the poverty line.

    Regardless of what you wish this country of our was, what it is, is NOT a democratic socialist society.
    Yes, I've made it clear that I'm aware of that fact.

    And you, j-mac. Regardless of what you'd like it to be, our country does not run according to your agenda of corporatist fascism. We have standards here and implement policies that help the poor(see. CCCs), not push them further in to poverty.

    "ad hom"? What ad hom? You know, when you can't hold your own in the debate with facts, it is the weak way out to claim that you're being attacked....No one attacked you.
    Ad hom doesn't imply an attack.

    But, show me where top down governmental control of an economy has worked long term.
    Top down? Really?

    I advocate for a system where private, top-down corporations are deprived of their ability to further damage America's working class.

    If anyone wants top-down societal organization, it's you Republicans.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Except the funding of government is not a problem. If it were, you might have a point about raising revenue. What the government needs money for is to fund its wealth transfer schemes. The money it wants from the rich is just money it plans on diverting to the poor/middle class.
    Well may God Bless Them. Seeing the way those tax cuts have helped out the rich for numerous years and the private sector can't seem to get the thing going, someone has to keep the cycle spinning.

    Quite the shame though. I would rather see a well paid worker that pays taxes instead of taxes being used by anyone so that people can live. The private sector had the chance to do this with those tax cuts and blew it. Corporations reporting record profits while having it easy with taxes while not keeping a strong economy is no good; the private sector needs to step up to the plate and hit a higher batting average instead of crying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Respectfully disagree. Corporate social responsibility dictates that eventually any policy that is viewed neagtively by the public will cost sales and profit. I would say it has reached that point with Wal-Mart. They could engage in a pay step scale that doesnt leave employees in danger of losing raises faster than the minimum wage is raised in states. Wage compression is a very real issue in Wal-Mart and they ought to address it.

    Better employee wages also tend to make for better employee customers---something to consider.

    Last note: Wal-Mart is not the same company it was under Sam Walton and any employee that has been there since he was the boss will say as much. The company has changed considerably and while it is the largest employer in the US, its days are numbered---internet sales are going to dent Wal-Mart just as hard as they are other retail outlets. The reasons why someone shops will have as much to do with service and environment as they do with convenience and price in as little as 10 to 15 years. Wal-Mart would do well to examine their employment model closely, it wont last as it is forever.
    Most of your ideas are nothing more than business decisions, and the market should get to decide whether or not those decisions are correct or not. Walmart seems to have little problem filling their available employment spots, and there is no such thing as an employee that is not there of their own choosing.. Each employee voluntarily came came to the store and filled out the application form fully knowing the terms and conditions of their employment. As other have pointed out, you are not wed to a contract, and you have ample time to search elswhere where your services may be of more value. In addition, Walmart, like many other corportions, tend to promote from within where possibe, so your starting salary need not be your ending salary. In addition, I have heard that there are more millionaire employees at Walmart than any other American corporation. You just have to ride with the company to success.

    I have no clue what corporate social responsibility is. If you mean that the corporation is somehow responsible for the welfare of their employees, then I would disagree. Everyone should be responsible for their own social and economic situations.

    I would agree that whatever the customer perceives as value will be reflected in the success of the company. The fact is that the company is the largest and one of the most profitable companies in the country, and if the market chooses to go elsewhere, then the company will of necessity either adapt or fail.

    Lastly, if you believe in your corporate model, you are free to start a competing retailer, and if your model more reflects the desires of the customer, then you should be proud to have been the one that brought Walmart. If you think that government intervention is the answer, then you will lose that right

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    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Sorry, I meant civic duty. And I wasn't talking about WalMart this time - though I suppose it's still applicable.

    Civic duty refers to the basic responsibility we all have to those around us. It refers to the responsibility a CEO has to the folks who earn for him/her. To the responsibility a person has to their countrymen. It refers to the compassion that is the foundation of democratic socialism.

    Walmart pays market wage. If he pays anything more than that, as an already part-time working college student, I would gladly offer to undercut it and accept market wage, and I would work harder at it then the current employees.

    If they deserved a higher salary, they wouldn't be working at Walmart. Simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Most of your ideas are nothing more than business decisions, and the market should get to decide whether or not those decisions are correct or not. Walmart seems to have little problem filling their available employment spots, and there is no such thing as an employee that is not there of their own choosing.. Each employee voluntarily came came to the store and filled out the application form fully knowing the terms and conditions of their employment. As other have pointed out, you are not wed to a contract, and you have ample time to search elswhere where your services may be of more value. In addition, Walmart, like many other corportions, tend to promote from within where possibe, so your starting salary need not be your ending salary. In addition, I have heard that there are more millionaire employees at Walmart than any other American corporation. You just have to ride with the company to success.

    I have no clue what corporate social responsibility is. If you mean that the corporation is somehow responsible for the welfare of their employees, then I would disagree. Everyone should be responsible for their own social and economic situations.

    I would agree that whatever the customer perceives as value will be reflected in the success of the company. The fact is that the company is the largest and one of the most profitable companies in the country, and if the market chooses to go elsewhere, then the company will of necessity either adapt or fail.

    Lastly, if you believe in your corporate model, you are free to start a competing retailer, and if your model more reflects the desires of the customer, then you should be proud to have been the one that brought Walmart. If you think that government intervention is the answer, then you will lose that right
    Don't think I could put it better.

    I love all these "ivory tower" business intellectuals. If they know so much, why don't they try to test it out? Emperical evidence is the name of the game, and people either learn quickly or go broke. (When I say "ivory tower" I exempt economists. They do actually have to apply what they know because they are actually involved in policy making, and often employed by businesses.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLN View Post
    Well may God Bless Them. Seeing the way those tax cuts have helped out the rich for numerous years and the private sector can't seem to get the thing going, someone has to keep the cycle spinning.

    Quite the shame though. I would rather see a well paid worker that pays taxes instead of taxes being used by anyone so that people can live. The private sector had the chance to do this with those tax cuts and blew it. Corporations reporting record profits while having it easy with taxes while not keeping a strong economy is no good; the private sector needs to step up to the plate and hit a higher batting average instead of crying.
    and so far Obama has done next to nothing about it. I was shocked to see him cave in and allow the Bush "temporary" tax cuts get extended.
    If he lets it slide again, he will be a twice elected idiot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Most of your ideas are nothing more than business decisions, and the market should get to decide whether or not those decisions are correct or not. Walmart seems to have little problem filling their available employment spots, and there is no such thing as an employee that is not there of their own choosing.. Each employee voluntarily came came to the store and filled out the application form fully knowing the terms and conditions of their employment. As other have pointed out, you are not wed to a contract, and you have ample time to search elswhere where your services may be of more value. In addition, Walmart, like many other corportions, tend to promote from within where possibe, so your starting salary need not be your ending salary. In addition, I have heard that there are more millionaire employees at Walmart than any other American corporation. You just have to ride with the company to success.

    I have no clue what corporate social responsibility is. If you mean that the corporation is somehow responsible for the welfare of their employees, then I would disagree. Everyone should be responsible for their own social and economic situations.

    I would agree that whatever the customer perceives as value will be reflected in the success of the company. The fact is that the company is the largest and one of the most profitable companies in the country, and if the market chooses to go elsewhere, then the company will of necessity either adapt or fail.

    Lastly, if you believe in your corporate model, you are free to start a competing retailer, and if your model more reflects the desires of the customer, then you should be proud to have been the one that brought Walmart. If you think that government intervention is the answer, then you will lose that right
    I don't know if you can show me the actual number of millionaires that Walmart has produced, but I can show you just how tough it is on a Walmart worker with pay and advancement.

    Walmart's Internal Compensation Documents Reveal Systematic Limit On Advancement ~ Huffington Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incredulous View Post
    This would help to explain the customer service. My mother has worked at a WalMart in Texas for about 5 years. She says that have the worst management she's ever worked with.
    The Walmart here in our small community in south Texas is about the same. You see employees walking around doing who knows what while standing in a long line to make a purchase because only one or two cash registers are open. Many employees seem rather bland and unmotivated like they work for a government entity.

    That's why we do out grocery shopping and everything else we can buy from HEB, our only grocery store in the area. Their prices are good and they are customer responsive and friendly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    and so far Obama has done next to nothing about it. I was shocked to see him cave in and allow the Bush "temporary" tax cuts get extended.
    If he lets it slide again, he will be a twice elected idiot...
    People making between $49,999-$70,000 will be hit the hardest when the Bush tax cuts expire. Their tax rate will go up from 15% to 28%. So much for helping out the middle class.

    And in case you don't already know it, $70,000 is barely getting by for a family of four. Most likely your credit card balance increases each month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    People making between $49,999-$70,000 will be hit the hardest when the Bush tax cuts expire. Their tax rate will go up from 15% to 28%. So much for helping out the middle class.

    And in case you don't already know it, $70,000 is barely getting by for a family of four. Most likely your credit card balance increases each month.
    The Bush tax cuts in that income range are not going to change. It's all a game of chicken.
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