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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'stang
    No one has said that Wal-Mart doesn't owe this country. But who ever said that they don't do anything for their country? They pay taxes don't they? That is all that is required of them to pay back the country that allowed them to prosper. Yet they also give to lots of charities they also have great...well...maybe not GREAT...but close, medical benefits plus give thier employees 10% discount on most items in thier stores. They also promote healthy life styles and even attempted to get me to quit smoking. Funny how you seem to forget all those good things that they do.
    I wish.

    Walmart is known for pretty good tax dodging - legal tax dodging, but still...

    Many states, counties, and principalities will actually pay a Walmart to open shop, and almost universally are they given relaxed taxes for a considerable amount of time after opening. This is on top of them being a massive recipient of corporate welfare and subsidies.

    Sam Walton was not a savior of the masses. They do some good with offering employment to...I can't remember the exact number of jobs, but it's over a million. If these workers want to strike, let them strike. However, they are running serious risks. Usually, it makes more sense to strike if your labor is in demand, and cannot be filled by any fool walking the street.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I worked for Wal-Mart for about 6 months. I started out at $9.50/hr. Not a bad wage around these parts. In those 6 months that I worked that I got three raises and by the time I left Wal-Mart I was making $11.10. Yeah,, it may not be no $30 bucks an hour but for the cost of living in these parts it was pretty damn good. Wal-Mart is one of the highest paying jobs you can have in this area for the most basic worker around here. Outside of logging or working at a saw mill or working for the government it is among THE highest in this area.

    As for working conditions, they're pretty top notch really. So long as you stay out of the politics that is. They demanded that you use the buddy system for anything over 40lbs. Required you to take multiple tests to get certified for working any type of machine. Seperate tests for produce and chemicals on safety and cleanliness.

    The only reason that I don't work there anymore is because I got sick a few times and couldn't make it to work along with a few things from nature that also made it to where I couldn't get to work. I exceeded my 10 days allowance per 6 months so they let me go. Understandable to a degree.
    I think the fact is not how little Wal-mart is paying but how long is the list trying to be hired by Wal-mart, where the waiting list is quite long , maybe it will shorten for the holidays buit after it will be long again.

    There is little compition in the job market for the midwest..

    As teenagers graduate and grow up they either need a job or stay at home where the parents are probably working at Wal-mart.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, both of these articles talking about an opinion from the same place, shows nothing illegal in this. Romney just like nearly every 401K, or divested mutual fund has money invested in foreign entities. Funny how progressives love to use the meme of a 'global economy' until it comes to raiding wealth that others have made.
    Sure there is nothing illegal about it because Uncle Sam doesn't know anything about it, but I have to report every dime I get paid to the IRS. And it's not raiding wealth; it's paying taxes on your money like everyone in the USA has to do.


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    In this article they are talking about Romney, in relation to State and local taxation to which Romney, or Obama has any authority to change. You want change in that arena? Vote local issues. But to tie that to anything concerning national policy is disingenuous.
    I'm referring here to the big picture--who pays the most taxes. When one considers all factors the whole problem becomes elementary.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I worked for Wal-Mart for about 6 months. I started out at $9.50/hr. Not a bad wage around these parts. In those 6 months that I worked that I got three raises and by the time I left Wal-Mart I was making $11.10. Yeah,, it may not be no $30 bucks an hour but for the cost of living in these parts it was pretty damn good. Wal-Mart is one of the highest paying jobs you can have in this area for the most basic worker around here. Outside of logging or working at a saw mill or working for the government it is among THE highest in this area.

    As for working conditions, they're pretty top notch really. So long as you stay out of the politics that is. They demanded that you use the buddy system for anything over 40lbs. Required you to take multiple tests to get certified for working any type of machine. Seperate tests for produce and chemicals on safety and cleanliness.

    The only reason that I don't work there anymore is because I got sick a few times and couldn't make it to work along with a few things from nature that also made it to where I couldn't get to work. I exceeded my 10 days allowance per 6 months so they let me go. Understandable to a degree.
    Hell, nonunion factories were doing that before they got outsourced .
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Are you aware of the reason WalMart gives that discount? Well, simply put, it's because, in most cases, if one works at WalMart, they can only afford to shop there. This discount only enforces that.

    Funny how you make this company out to be some kind of humanitarian icon.
    At $11.10/hr I could easily afford to shop elsewhere in my area.

    And its funny how you make the company out to be some evil entity that does absolutely nothing for its employee's or the country. Yes Wal-Mart has its faults. Getting 99% of thier products from China for instance. But treating their employee's like crap isn't one of them. I didn't even mention everything that they do for thier employee's. Like 401k plans (not all companies offer this), stock in thier company, they even created a new position for me just so I could work there without having to hire a babysitter.

    Despite what you think Wal-Mart is not obligated to do any of those things that I mentioned in my last post or in this one. The only obligation that they actually do have is to pay taxes. Everything else they do for either charitable reasons or because it simply makes good buisness sense.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I wish.

    Walmart is known for pretty good tax dodging - legal tax dodging, but still...

    This is an interesting phrase "tax dodging"..... It connotes something shady, while there is a form of avoiding taxes that is fully legal, and indeed promoted by the IRS. For example, as a truck driver, I am extended $53. per day per diem, write off on my gross income for every day I am driving. It is set by the IRS, and legal to take, and allows me to lessen my taxable income by about $13K per year. I also pay a mortgage that since I am a relatively new 'homeowner', most every payment I make is all interest, so I get to write that off as well, lowering my taxable income by another $13K per year....

    This allows me to by goods, and contribute to the economy through out the year, that without those deductions, I would have NO expendable income, and probably wouldn't have been able to afford the house we have in exchange for something more modest, if at all....Am I 'dodging' taxation? You're damned right! Is it illegal, or a bad thing? I don't think so, see, I believe that I own my labor, not the government.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Many Wal-Mart employees qualify for food stamps.
    Myself and just about everyone in the military qualified for food stamps when I was in. Yet I don't see anyone complaining about that situation. Oh wait.... the complainers don't REALLY care about the military. Forgot.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Actually in a way Walmart is not the bad guy here,.

    I haven't done the statistics but I'd be willing to bet Walmart stores across America hire more unskilled labor than the manufacturing ind. in America.
    Which can be good and bad
    Good for Chinese products
    bad for American products.

    This much I know I saw Walmarts in Forbes magazine, didn't see Sears or Penny's or Target.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac
    This is an interesting phrase "tax dodging"..... It connotes something shady, while there is a form of avoiding taxes that is fully legal, and indeed promoted by the IRS.
    Oh, it's shady. I prefaced my comment by saying that it was legal (and it is), even though dodging tends to create the illusion of illegal behavior. Having said that, if people knew exactly how much Walmart was being floated along at all levels of the public, it'd make most of you sick. Walmart isn't a monopoly, but a monopolistic competition. However, given that the fact that they can choose to charge lower prices simply given the fact that they're receiving so much help, it could one day become a pseudo-monopoly. It's no coincidence that when a Walmart sprouts from the ground, approximately one-third of all local mom-and-pops have to close shop due to financial difficulties.

    If they truly wanted to put themselves on the open market, the government could allow for it. In fact, I hope for that day. I support their right to exist, but damned if I'll say that I can stand the sight of them.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Why? Because the workers fill the pockets of the business owners. Do you not find it difficult to swallow that the creators of wealth don't own that said wealth?
    And without those buisness owners the workers wouldn't have money either. It works both ways. But like ANY buisness be it small or large they only have to pay thier workers what they are willing to work for. If the workers don't like the pay rate then they can go elsewhere. No buisness has an obligation to pay thier employee's more than minimum wage.
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