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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    There are a few reasons for that. First is that walmart is one of the biggest employers in the US and some people need those things called jobs. Also Walmart would be a company that can employ people from the least skilled up to the skilled people who handle the higher up functions of the company. Just because Walmart pays their retail employees like dung does not mean that they do not employ skilled workers nationwide for a number of purposes at reasonable salaries. Still, many of the people who find retail work in Walmart simply need the job.

    This leads to why Walmart is able to be such a crappy employer, and there is little the employees can do about it. Simply most employees in a specific walmart store are unable to walk out and strike. They live from paycheck to paycheck or less, and cannot afford to lose that crappy paycheck. Despite what republicans claim the government does not provide the poor with living for nothing. The other way Walmart prevents problems for themselves is because a large portion of their customers cannot go anywhere else either. Walmart is simply cheap, and many poor people shop there. So even if the customers wanted to back the employees through their own boycotts it just won't work because many of their customers simply cannot just start shopping somewhere else because they cannot afford it.

    Retail work at Walmart is an active and hard job. These are not lazy people trying to live off the government dime. Republicans love to claim that they are for the worer who chooses a job over welfare, but the reality is that Walmart doesn't pay their hard working employees enough to put them above the poverty levels for public assistance. walmart is a prime example that the free market simply does not take care of the workers. Because of that we all pick up the slack for Walmart's rich owners and investors. We end up having to give Walmart employees public assistance. These are working people, not some deadbeat hanging out at home on the public dime. These are not the "victims" Romney spoke of. These people took a job to have a job even though it does not pay all their bills. Sure they are probably looking for better, but better is not always out there for you.

    Should a person do an important job for a company and still not have enough money to get by on even when sacrificing and buying as cheap as possible? Without the employees walmart would not run. The owner of walmart does not stock shelves, run checkout, or even manage a single walmart. Those jobs are done by other people, and that allows him to do whatever it is he does during the day. They should up the pay for their employees. Not only would it benefit them, but it would help us taxpayers out also. Giving the Walmart employee the ability to consume would drive up the economy everywhere. We would save on taxes because we would not have to help the employed stay above water. On top of that the increased consumption would provide more tax revenue. Instead Walmart Owners get rich while underpaying their employees and we pic up the tab for them. By we i mean those of us who pay taxes.

    This is one of those times where collective bargaining is not just important to the walmart employee who wants to survive on their employment, but it is also going to help us out in passing the responsibility for their employees back to the people who hired them. If you want the market to handle these things then we have to start pushing on places like Walmart and forcing an actual living wage for their employees.
    They aren't lazy, just unskilled and extremely replaceable. The obvious solution to higher wages for unskilled, replaceable workers, is to reduce the population of them (education), so they are relatively less replaceable. Its not Walmart's fault that they are paying the market rate (the same rate nearly every other similar employer is paying).

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Civil duty? What does that mean? Is there some law, or statute requiring certain things of business beyond what they already comply with that I don't know about?
    Sorry, I meant civic duty. And I wasn't talking about WalMart this time - though I suppose it's still applicable.

    Civic duty refers to the basic responsibility we all have to those around us. It refers to the responsibility a CEO has to the folks who earn for him/her. To the responsibility a person has to their countrymen. It refers to the compassion that is the foundation of democratic socialism.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Seems like it might be more efficient to just pay workers higher wages in the first place, rather than have the rest of us pay higher taxes to make up or it.
    Makes sense to me , and while you're at it a lot more jobs with more employees paying taxes, buying more and spending more in America.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    How cold. Detachment and the absence of any sense of civil duty is not valid public policy.
    My civic duty was to not raise any kids to be in the bottom half of the economy....we paid for their college, for starters. They have degrees and no student loans, so they start out better than the wife and I did.
    My wife had 2 years of college on her parents, I had 2 years of technical schools paid for by our rich uncle.
    When our kids were teens, and some of their friends seemed to be unsure of their plans for the future, I offered advice, which is about all you can do considering most won't take the advice.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's not just me brother....Check out what Maurice Isserman, a professor of history at Hamilton College and the author of “The Other American: The Life of Michael Harrington.” had to say in an open essay in the NYTimes on the man, and his views...



    The so called "war on Poverty" has been a dismal failure in this country, wasting trillions of dollars on a problem that the so called "champions of the poor" democrats have no real motivation to solve because it threatens their voting base to do so.

    Edwards was the last democrat to use this "Two America's" meme in any meaningful way, and was roundly defeated before he even made it to the grand stage. America rejects this division.
    I disagree, with both your ad hom and the bridge you try to build between Democrats and myself.

    Whiter you choose to agree or not, the idea that government should have it's hand in the economy has been primarily positive.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Sorry, I meant civic duty. And I wasn't talking about WalMart this time - though I suppose it's still applicable.

    Civic duty refers to the basic responsibility we all have to those around us. It refers to the responsibility a CEO has to the folks who earn for him/her. To the responsibility a person has to their countrymen. It refers to the compassion that is the foundation of democratic socialism.
    Sounds to me like you are attempting to change the definition of "civic duty" to support your own agenda.

    Civic Duty Law & Legal Definition


    The concept of civic duty is based on the principle that citizens owe some allegiance to their government and that government in turn protects its citizens. Civic duties refer to the responsibilities of citizens. Often rights enjoyed by citizens also implies corresponding responsibilities.

    Citizenship carries with it both rights and responsibilities. Civic duties include duties and responsibilities. Duties are legally enforceable and vary with each state. Citizens must do their duties. Some examples of civic duties are obeying the law, serving on a jury, paying taxes and voting.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    I worked for Wal-Mart for about 6 months. I started out at $9.50/hr. Not a bad wage around these parts. In those 6 months that I worked that I got three raises and by the time I left Wal-Mart I was making $11.10. Yeah,, it may not be no $30 bucks an hour but for the cost of living in these parts it was pretty damn good. Wal-Mart is one of the highest paying jobs you can have in this area for the most basic worker around here. Outside of logging or working at a saw mill or working for the government it is among THE highest in this area.

    As for working conditions, they're pretty top notch really. So long as you stay out of the politics that is. They demanded that you use the buddy system for anything over 40lbs. Required you to take multiple tests to get certified for working any type of machine. Seperate tests for produce and chemicals on safety and cleanliness.

    The only reason that I don't work there anymore is because I got sick a few times and couldn't make it to work along with a few things from nature that also made it to where I couldn't get to work. I exceeded my 10 days allowance per 6 months so they let me go. Understandable to a degree.
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    Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    How cold. Detachment and the absence of any sense of civil duty is not valid public policy.
    Walmarts sense of civil duty is satisfied by paying taxes, providing employment for many, and their numerous charitable and education offerings. They offer unskilled citizens not only a job but an opportunity to develop skills and promotion opportunities. They don't owe anyone some mythical living wage. You however are free to start a business and do whatever you deem appropriate.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Sorry, I meant civic duty. And I wasn't talking about WalMart this time - though I suppose it's still applicable.

    Civic duty refers to the basic responsibility we all have to those around us. It refers to the responsibility a CEO has to the folks who earn for him/her. To the responsibility a person has to their countrymen. It refers to the compassion that is the foundation of democratic socialism.
    In case you didn't know this but we are not a democratic socialist country. Though I can see the confusion on your part considering the direction that this country is going.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RLN View Post
    Interesting article but you truly do not believe that the rich reports all their income do you?

    Report: $21 trillion hidden in offshore accounts

    Taxes, Offshore Accounts and Corruption

    Well, both of these articles talking about an opinion from the same place, shows nothing illegal in this. Romney just like nearly every 401K, or divested mutual fund has money invested in foreign entities. Funny how progressives love to use the meme of a 'global economy' until it comes to raiding wealth that others have made.

    Also one must consider the bigger picture when one looks at state and local taxes combined.

    Poor Americans Pay Double The State, Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent

    In this article they are talking about Romney, in relation to State and local taxation to which Romney, or Obama has any authority to change. You want change in that arena? Vote local issues. But to tie that to anything concerning national policy is disingenuous.
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