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    You can reign in 2&4 by protecting doctors in courts. There is a difference between laws and regulations. Overconsumption is more or less a product of the other three.
    If doctors were state employees they might just enjoy some immunity.

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    [QUOTE=ReformCollege;1061220089][QUOTE=Fisher;1061220009]It depends on how much I was making. I am self-employed these days via a few different enterprises. In my worldview, labor is the most significant cost that is malleable.
    Since the topic is the pay of Walmart workers, they should just suck it up to afford the rest of us low prices... correct?
    Or apparently go to college for all those years, take on all the debt, and become down-trodden doctors. Not every job is a career job and not every employer is one who has a duty to provide for you for life just because you are capable of pushing buggies across the parking lot. These are low skill jobs that merit low wages. It is an incentive for people to seek out better jobs and acquire the skills to get them. Lord forbid somebody take some risk or initiative when they can live forever off the backs of those who did take risks and show initiative if they whine loud enough and often enough to politicians who want to buy their support with other people's money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    "The claim that HMO's are more 'efficient' than the fee-for-service (FFS) plans they replaced is typically based on one of two research errors," said Sullivan. "Either the study didn't take into account higher HMO administrative costs, and only looked at cuts in hospital or doctor care, or it didn't take into account factors like cherry-picking healthier patients or cost-shifting to other payers as an explanation for lower premiums."

    Claim That HMO's Save Money Is Little More Than "Folklore," Health Affairs Study Finds | Physicians for a National Health Program
    Seems to me your moving to a different issue. Direct me to where i said HMOs were more efficient. I said there would be people who would not be able to afford healthcare absent insurance (third party payers).

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    Because if I were getting an insane amount of dough for writing prescriptions, I might would be willing to take a pay cut. It isn't like I never do anything for free or at a loss out of the goodness of my stone-cold heart. If student loans are a burden and that burden could be removed by taking less pay over a career then it seems like a sound exchange to me.
    Not that I disagree that salaries in collages are out of control, but although it may be fine for you to espouse cutting your own salary in such an altruistic way, you can only speak for yourself ultimately. Just trying to look at it evenly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not that I disagree that salaries in collages are out of control, but although it may be fine for you to espouse cutting your own salary in such an altruistic way, you can only speak for yourself ultimately. Just trying to look at it evenly.
    Perhaps you miss the point. It is not "Hey give us a third of your money back". What I am saying is that in a single-payer system for healthcare, you engage in a quid pro quo where the student saves a ton of worry and expense on the front side that will be repaid through their work for the system on the backside. Lawyers who work for the government very often get student loan forgiveness as part of their service or else nobody could afford to work for legal services/public defenders offices at the price they currently do. Teachers will move out to teach in poor areas in exchange for student loan forgiveness. It is what we are already doing in other professions on the backside. If there is a doctor shortage you just do it on the frontside.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Perhaps you miss the point. It is not "Hey give us a third of your money back". What I am saying is that in a single-payer system for healthcare, you engage in a quid pro quo where the student saves a ton of worry and expense on the front side that will be repaid through their work for the system on the backside. Lawyers who work for the government very often get student loan forgiveness as part of their service or else nobody could afford to work for legal services/public defenders offices at the price they currently do. Teachers will move out to teach in poor areas in exchange for student loan forgiveness. It is what we are already doing in other professions on the backside. If there is a doctor shortage you just do it on the frontside.

    Or we could expose the greed, and graft among the Ivory tower keepers that are holding students by the ankles and shaking them....I am not one that believes that increased governmental control over new graduates is a good thing in a free society.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    Or we could expose the greed, and graft among the Ivory tower keepers that are holding students by the ankles and shaking them....I am not one that believes that increased governmental control over new graduates is a good thing in a free society.
    I am not one to believe that a government that is providing free insurance to millions of Americans does not have enough skin in the game to pretty much demand and get whatever it wants if it is so inclined.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    Or we could expose the greed, and graft among the Ivory tower keepers that are holding students by the ankles and shaking them....I am not one that believes that increased governmental control over new graduates is a good thing in a free society.
    If you only knew that greed and graft is mostly in the private sector, you might have more support among educators.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Chain reaction now anf this is happenning during bad times.

    Fast food workers are rallying in Times Square to show workers' rights solidarity and protest low wages.

    It's a pretty large crowd, with megaphones, signs and all.

    "We want our $15 and a union, and we want it now," a Burger King worker tells The Nation's Josh Eidelson.


    Read more: There's A Large Crowd Of Fast Food Workers Protesting In Times Square - Business Insider

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    If you only knew that greed and graft is mostly in the private sector, you might have more support among educators.

    When educators start doing their darn jobs, instead of indoctrinating our youth to churn out future socialists, then I'll support them more.

    How about this Joe, you support this?:


    An animated video produced by a California teachers union uses the crude imagery of a rich man urinating on common folks to decry what narrator Ed Asner claims is rich people’s refusal to pay their share of taxes.The crude footage is part of a “Tax the rich: An animated fairy tale,” an eight-minute video written and directed by California Federation of Teachers’ communications director Fred Glass. In it, Asner describes a mythical land that seems to represent the U.S. and how it financed its services. He says the rich sought to evade taxes and put their money into “Wall Street” – yet another clue to the real identity of the storybook country.


    Read more: California teachers union video shows rich man urinating on poor to make taxes case | Fox News
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