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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    A democratic economy.
    What is a democratic economy?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    What is a democratic economy?
    An economy where those who have to live with the results of a decision ahve a say in the decision ... For example, changing corporate law so that the executives and board are responsible to not only shareholders but also stakeholders would be democratizing the economy, taking important industries that people rely on and making them public institutions subject to democratic accountability is another thing, cooperatives are democratic and so on and so forth.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    And the US has been runnign deficits too ... the problem came from.

    1. Goldman Sachs basically using Greece as a toxic asset dumping ground.
    2. joining the EU, which it had no buisiness doing.
    3. Failing to collect taxes.
    Greece's public debt is nearly double the U.S.'s when you consider the debt to GDP ratio. And we never covered it up.

    Greece paid Goldman to cover up their debt that they had be running for 30 years, because they knew if anyone knew what their debt actually was, no one would lend them any money and their economy would go through the tank. And when we found out in 2010, that is EXACTLY what happened.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    An economy where those who have to live with the results of a decision ahve a say in the decision ... For example, changing corporate law so that the executives and board are responsible to not only shareholders but also stakeholders would be democratizing the economy, taking important industries that people rely on and making them public institutions subject to democratic accountability is another thing, cooperatives are democratic and so on and so forth.
    I have a definite say in who I buy from and who I'll work for. That's about all the power I am entitled to and should be entitled to.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Greece's public debt is nearly double the U.S.'s when you consider the debt to GDP ratio. And we never covered it up.

    Greece paid Goldman to cover up their debt that they had be running for 30 years, because they knew if anyone knew what their debt actually was, no one would lend them any money and their economy would go through the tank. And when we found out in 2010, that is EXACTLY what happened.
    It is now, but that was after Goldman sachs basically raided the country and the EU kept giving them loans.

    You're right Goldman covered up their debt, but they also took hold of their finances and used the country as a dumbing ground for toxic assets.

    I have a definite say in who I buy from and who I'll work for. That's about all the power I am entitled to and should be entitled to.
    That's your opinion, I say if you have to live with the decisions a CEO makes that you work for, and who's salery partially comes from your work, you should have a say in those decisions ... but I suppose your cool beinb a subject.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Good luck with that, I'm suggesting a single payer system.

    Also how could you eliminate health insurance without government intervention? Btw ... you have that option now, just don't buy health insurance.
    Actually, the number of doctors this year who practice without accepting health insurance is up 30%, many doctors can charge like $50-65 a month for unlimited visits and at least 30 minutes of care a visit. The patients get better care at a much lower cost, and far less likely to be admitted to the emergency room. It costs over $80,000 a year per doctor to deal with health insurance companies. Health insurance companies are just a middle man that is just asking to be cut out of the picture.

    And we had that option, except the Democrats over here are in bed with the insurance companies, and made it a law that everyone has to have health insurance if they can afford it, which has got to be the biggest gift of corporate welfare I have ever seen.

    The other thing I'd like to see changed, is that civil suit cases involving medical "malpractice" HAS to have a jury of experts in medical malpractice. Its ridiculous that medical malpractice insurance in Florida can run up to $56,000. If a doctor is drunk on the job, I understand, but just because there is an unforeseen complication doesn't mean that the doctor owes you a payday. This whole jury of your peers thing isn't working for civil court cases, too often our civil courts are huge mediums for claims fraud.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Actually, the number of doctors this year who practice without accepting health insurance is up 30%, many doctors can charge like $50-65 a month for unlimited visits and at least 30 minutes of care a visit. The patients get better care at a much lower cost, and far less likely to be admitted to the emergency room. It costs over $80,000 a year per doctor to deal with health insurance companies. Health insurance companies are just a middle man that is just asking to be cut out of the picture.

    And we had that option, except the Democrats over here are in bed with the insurance companies, and made it a law that everyone has to have health insurance if they can afford it, which has got to be the biggest gift of corporate welfare I have ever seen.

    The other thing I'd like to see changed, is that civil suit cases involving medical "malpractice" HAS to have a jury of experts in medical malpractice. Its ridiculous that medical malpractice insurance in Florida can run up to $56,000. If a doctor is drunk on the job, I understand, but just because there is an unforeseen complication doesn't mean that the doctor owes you a payday. This whole jury of your peers thing isn't working for civil court cases, too often our civil courts are huge mediums for claims fraud.
    I agree about the Democrats... Also Obamacare was a republican idea, pushed by the heratige foundation and Gingrich early on. Anyway, Before obamacare you still had a problem with cost ... also some doctars just charging wihtout using insurance doesn't take care of more costly procedures, like cancer treatment and so on.

    But either way ... Single payer is PROVEN to work, no country with single payer ever even has people thinking of going back to a private for profit system ... But many of them also have private providers ... and I have no problem with that, but the insurance should be a public not for profit service.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    The US does not like the idea of a single payer system for 2 reasons IMHO. First, it pulls the blanket off the idea that we are a totally capitalist system, which we are far from being but like to deny; and Second, single-payer works because the government contains wage costs and medical unions and professional groups will never be willing supporters of that.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    The US does not like the idea of a single payer system for 2 reasons IMHO. First, it pulls the blanket off the idea that we are a totally capitalist system, which we are far from being but like to deny; and Second, single-payer works because the government contains wage costs and medical unions and professional groups will never be willing supporters of that.
    In a two tiered system, those who could afford more would be able to buy more (both insurance and service). But yes, we like to pretend, both that we're a capitalist system and that without help we could all get whatever we want.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    It is now, but that was after Goldman sachs basically raided the country and the EU kept giving them loans.

    You're right Goldman covered up their debt, but they also took hold of their finances and used the country as a dumbing ground for toxic assets.
    Thats what happens when you play with fire.


    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    That's your opinion, I say if you have to live with the decisions a CEO makes that you work for, and who's salery partially comes from your work, you should have a say in those decisions ... but I suppose your cool beinb a subject.
    I do have a say in those decisions. I can say, "my value is more than that, so I will find other work." If I choose to continue to work there, then that is defined as a choice to go along with the decisions being made. And if they choose not to listen to what I have to say, then either I have not made myself valuable enough to have a say or it is up to me to hold myself to a higher standard and seek employment elsewhere.

    I do not have to literally vote on my own salary to have a say in how I am paid.

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