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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    Their sales (gross income) has been about $447 billion in 2012 but that is before they pay anything.

    Gross income isn't all that relevant in this conversation. It is net income that matters.
    We're discussing the wage increase on the cost to consumers here so we're assuming that profit remains equal.
    If the full brunt of a wage increase (which isn't likely) is a hit to consumers the price increase will equal like 40 cents an average shoppers visit to Wal-Mart.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That still makes no sense, since all other McJob (minimum wage) workers will still mooch off of taxpayer subsidies even if Walmart raised their pay/prices. The only way to make all of the federal "poor" subsidies go away is to raise the minimum wage above the "poverty" wage, which would definitely cause inflation (and massive unemployment). Rinse, and repeat...
    Wal-Mart is pretty much the baseline. I see McDonalds and other jobs paying more than Wal-Mart. In fact I worked at a grocery store while in college and I was paid 13 bucks an hour and that was like 7 years ago.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Wal-Mart is pretty much the baseline. I see McDonalds and other jobs paying more than Wal-Mart. In fact I worked at a grocery store while in college and I was paid 13 bucks an hour and that was like 7 years ago.
    Many, much harder, jobs pay less:

    Remodeling/Construction

    Door Assemblers/Delivery drivers helpers

    General labor and drivers (35) people

    Warehouse Associate

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    We're discussing the wage increase on the cost to consumers here so we're assuming that profit remains equal.
    If the full brunt of a wage increase (which isn't likely) is a hit to consumers the price increase will equal like 40 cents an average shoppers visit to Wal-Mart.

    Well, whether or not your figure of 40 cents is true or not, how utterly magnanimous of you to spend other peoples money for them.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, whether or not your figure of 40 cents is true or not, how utterly magnanimous of you to spend other peoples money for them.
    Actually my viewpoint from the get go has been for Wal-Mart employees to bargain for their salaries. That was stated to provide a marker for the impact of higher wages on consumers.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Actually my viewpoint from the get go has been for Wal-Mart employees to bargain for their salaries. That was stated to provide a marker for the impact of higher wages on consumers.
    Shouldn't that be the employees choice? I mean the way it stands now from what I can see is just the UFCW trying to muscle their way in.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Shouldn't that be the employees choice? I mean the way it stands now from what I can see is just the UFCW trying to muscle their way in.
    Yes...it should definately be their choice.

    Wal-Mart has a pretty long history of fighting union effort. I agree though...they should be able to organize and discuss organizing without any sort of retribution by their employer. If that's the case and they would prefer not to unionize then so be it.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure, that's a possibility so even throughout walmart wages went up 1 dollar an hour for every employee that wouldn't result in inflation. Even if all salaries for baseline employees increases that wouldn't result in 1 for 1 inflation. It would result in a net benefit for lower paid employees.

    Let's be honest...with food stamps and other programs we are subsidizing their salaries. I stated it in another post. I don't really shop at Wal Mart but my taxes sure as hell subsidize the low prices. If someone is bumped up say over 200% of the poverty line that means less foodstamps and less other governmental programs that they receive.

    We are just moving cost around here not really coming up with new costs. obamacare and Wal-mart now having to provide health insurance is just less individuals depending on Medicaid for themselves and their children. Higher wages is just less individuals depending on food stamps or housing allowance.
    Lets be honest, not all people earning a minimum wage or a few bucks more are receiving a government subsidy. They are entry level people many still living at home, Walmart as an example hires the elderly who no one else would hire and many are working at Walmart to subsidize their SS check. Walmart hires the disadvantaged, sure they are getting a subsidy but by working at Walmart they are living a little better. So you are already subsidizing some even if they work at Walmart or someplace else. You have people working at Walmart that are people needing a second income and Walmart is right down the street and it's all they need to subsidize the other income they make to have a little better life.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Lets be honest, not all people earning a minimum wage or a few bucks more are receiving a government subsidy. They are entry level people many still living at home, Walmart as an example hires the elderly who no one else would hire and many are working at Walmart to subsidize their SS check. Walmart hires the disadvantaged, sure they are getting a subsidy but by working at Walmart they are living a little better. So you are already subsidizing some even if they work at Walmart or someplace else. You have people working at Walmart that are people needing a second income and Walmart is right down the street and it's all they need to subsidize the other income they make to have a little better life.
    Sure you are right. Not everyone is on assistance but working at Wal-mart 30 hours or 40 hours a week means you're qualified for assistance.

    I'm not saying Wal-Mart is the great Satan. I'm saying that workers able to bargain for their salaries is a good thing and I don't understand how individuals are so anti-union.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure you are right. Not everyone is on assistance but working at Wal-mart 30 hours or 40 hours a week means you're qualified for assistance.

    I'm not saying Wal-Mart is the great Satan. I'm saying that workers able to bargain for their salaries is a good thing and I don't understand how individuals are so anti-union.
    I'm only pro union, in limited circumstances.
    A good example would be a mining town, with only company stores.

    With that said, there isn't much reason to have unions for most industries, anymore.
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