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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    And that is exactly what has happened in this last election.
    No, what happened this election is the GOP put up a weak candidate like the Dems did in 2004. Sorry, but claiming the majority of voters are on government reliance is simply not true.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Or they can elect politicians that give them (income redistribution) subidies to make that McJob provide them a "living wage" or perhaps unionize and demand that more pay/benefits be awarded for the same work. Yes they can!
    Don't give them any ideas... hahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, what happened this election is the GOP put up a weak candidate like the Dems did in 2004. Sorry, but claiming the majority of voters are on government reliance is simply not true.
    The hell it's not, we are now an official "Welfare State" and worse we're headed to the likes of Greece where the people scream in the streets "I demand my entitlements".

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Even without government intervention you'll have non competative markets, and even with fully competative markets you'll have internal contradictions and externalities and tons of inconsistancies and power discrepancies.

    Neo-classical theory never takes into account market discrepencies in power.

    Also in the US you have a much worse class mobility and opportunities than in social democratic countries ... so there is something different there.

    In the system we have no the ones that get rich are not the ones that contribute most to society, they are the ones that infact do activity that HURTS society.
    Power discrepancies will always exist. Sure, socialist theory attempts to eliminate them, but that is idealistic thinking and as mankind is not idealistic, it cannot happen. Human nature is for us to be competitive, we will always be competitive and since socialist ideals eliminate competitiveness, they go against basic human nature.

    What evidence do you have to present that supports your statements about class mobility and opportunities?

    How do the rich hurt society? If they kept all their wealth in liquid assets, then yes, it would be hurtful, but since they invest in capital assets which creates and upholds companies, which employee society, how is that hurtful?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Haymarket, you need to understand the difference between going after a bad post and going after you. I went after what you said. I made no comment about you. I will not be baited by you. I will call you out for remarks that are bad arguments. Want that to stop? Stop making bad arguments.
    yeah.... sure .... whatever ..... just like the other posts in the other threads o0n other topics which you managed to do the same thing.

    Nobody is baiting you. Your obsessive need to pretend that you have some mandate to "call me out" is rather silly. And more importantly, it does NOTHING to add to debate or intelligent discussion. It only appears to be personal and petty.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    The hell it's not, we are now an official "Welfare State" and worse we're headed to the likes of Greece where the people scream in the streets "I demand my entitlements".

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Liberals, progressives, socialist and other leftist simply refuse to understand that their "compassionate" ideals mean saving one at the cost of hundreds.
    I think it's more selfish than that: "Saving me at a cost to hundreds of you is quite acceptable."
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    there is a limited number that can rise. .
    Yes, but we're not at that limit. To reach that limit everyone would basically need to be engaging the market at the highest level of effort or we'd need to hit a resource limitation or a combination. Since most people choose not to prioritize engaging the market fully (free time, family, hobbies, relationships, these things are near-priceless for many of us), and we're not out of resources, there is an enormous amount of slack in the system. As a direct result of that slack, if someone has the basic tools and wants to go out and increase wealth beyond that average, they have a wide open field to claim. So you get higher wealth disaprity. If everyone was trying to stake their claim, it would be a lot more spread out, you wouldn't have such a disparity. It would look a lot more like socialist-dream-system. People simply do not want that though, they want to work as little as possible, for a comfortable life where they can spend most of their time pursuing other interests.

    If everyone around you is capable, hard working, smart, professional, ambitous, creative, etc., there is not going to be a large disaparity on average, in income. They aren't stupid, they know they can do each others job, they don't tolerate such unfairness. Organizations like that are often a lot more flat, and higher on average salary, and CEOs who come up through the ranks and only make 5-10x salary rather than 100x, or 1000x. It's just that so many of us, as Harry G. points out, simply do not want to spend our short lives on this planet getting rich. This necessarily means that those who DO want to get rich, and the efforts they put out, are in low supply. There is more for them to go out and earn, because so many of us leave it unclaimed on the table.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yeah.... sure .... whatever ..... just like the other posts in the other threads o0n other topics which you managed to do the same thing.

    Nobody is baiting you. Your obsessive need to pretend that you have some mandate to "call me out" is rather silly. And more importantly, it does NOTHING to add to debate or intelligent discussion. It only appears to be personal and petty.
    I can post whatever the **** I want to within the rules of the forum. If you post stupid crap, you can expect someone to take you to task for that bad posting.

    Tell me something, if you make a terrible argument that contributes nothing to conversation, how are you adding to debate or intelligent discussion?

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well a lot of these companie we're discussing are retail companies. They only face competition from other domestic retailers. If wage rates for sandwhich makers and stockers went up sure we'd face slightly higher costs at the cash register but millions of Americans would be closer to making living wages.

    I agree...in general I prefer the market to determine values. In wages not so much. It's one thing to allow the price of steel to fluctuate on markets it's another to allow unskilled labor wages to hit rock bottom.
    Most big box retail companies operate on very narrow profit margins and make their money from having thousands of stores. These companies can't raise wages without significant cost increases, layoffs, store closures, and reduced hours. At some point the increase in costs make it completely unprofitable to operate a company in the United States, businesses shut their domestic operations, and move to another country.

    A sandwich maker lucky enough to keep his job after wide eyed college students "help" him won't be any closer to living a better life because of the increased costs at the register. It will just mean the guy who worked next to him is fired while prices go up on everyone else. We go through this literally every single time wide eyed college students think they're the first people to suggest an increase in minimum wage.

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