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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Never said he was poor ... I don't have a metric for what is rich, but if he doesn't consider himself rich, why not?
    You asked him why wasn't he rich...whats the opposite of rich? And if you don't have a metric for what is rich then how can you ask him "Why arn't you rich btw?"?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You asked him why wasn't he rich...whats the opposite of rich? And if you don't have a metric for what is rich then how can you ask him "Why arn't you rich btw?"?
    Thats like saying someone is'nt obese automatically assumes he's emaciated.

    I asked him "why arn't you rich," to challenge his ideology, the metric for being rich isn't important ... unless you're just being anal, which it seams like you are.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    1. Sonofabitch we're talking past each other here, but you need the equipment first ....

    2. ok then

    3. No I didn't say it was illigal, I said there were policies that prevented it, just like in many cities there are policies that prevent smoking, like high taxes on ciggaretes. Also I find it funny that the US thought Co-determination was such an awesome idea they put it in german and not the US ... thats funny, or maybe I'm right that they wanted to restrict the power of German Capitalists, they thought they were restricting the german economy.

    5. Jeez, THEY HAVE MORE DECISION MAKING POWER, If you start out with 0 votes and you suddenly get 40% of the votes you suddenly have a little more power do you ... Germany doesn't have a neo-liberal policy, also Greece and Spain failed when they started financializing and de-regulating their economy, strong socail democracies are diong well.
    No they failed when they ran out of other people's money.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    1. And what? It was billed that way by RUssians trying to defend theri system, and Americans trying to demonize it. Not by actual socialists.

    2. Courts and law are just mediators between the gun. Also Socialism isn't always government enforced, infact most socialists don't even want to involve the government, they want a revolution where the state doesn't play the role, the workers and communities do.

    The difference is socialism is democratic and cpaitalism is plutocratic, plain and simple, and yeah it is different people, just like the American revolution had different people making the rules, i.e. the people rather than the king.
    1. Ah, so its only not socialism after it fails? Hows about China? Thats also billed as socialism of a sort.

    2. LOL socialists want to change who does the distribution without ever earning it. BTW, how is revolution NOT rule through violence?

    Capitalism isnt plutocratic because whose at the top and the number at the top can change. Its not designed to be exclusive, its designed to be inclusive. The American revolution had people at the top making the rules that allowed for consent of the governed and a framework of laws beyond majority rule. The "rulers" change all the time, because that was the way it was set up. Socialists like yourself always talk about democracy until the mob disagrees with them. Socialism is not about democracy its about consolidation of power.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Exactly, and with the decline of Unions comes the decline of the middle class.
    Unions ensured their own decline in the U.S. by only looking out for themselves.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    1. And what? It was billed that way by RUssians trying to defend theri system, and Americans trying to demonize it. Not by actual socialists.

    2. Courts and law are just mediators between the gun. Also Socialism isn't always government enforced, infact most socialists don't even want to involve the government, they want a revolution where the state doesn't play the role, the workers and communities do.

    The difference is socialism is democratic and cpaitalism is plutocratic, plain and simple, and yeah it is different people, just like the American revolution had different people making the rules, i.e. the people rather than the king.
    We certainly have a lot more freedom in this country then you have in yours. Try running a business in both countries.... and see the difference.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    No they failed when they ran out of other people's money.
    ... ok nice talking point, but the fact is when they stopped collecting taxes and handed over their finances to investment firms thats when the major crashes happened.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    1. Ah, so its only not socialism after it fails? Hows about China? Thats also billed as socialism of a sort.

    2. LOL socialists want to change who does the distribution without ever earning it. BTW, how is revolution NOT rule through violence?

    Capitalism isnt plutocratic because whose at the top and the number at the top can change. Its not designed to be exclusive, its designed to be inclusive. The American revolution had people at the top making the rules that allowed for consent of the governed and a framework of laws beyond majority rule. The "rulers" change all the time, because that was the way it was set up. Socialists like yourself always talk about democracy until the mob disagrees with them. Socialism is not about democracy its about consolidation of power.
    1. No it wasn't socialism from the begining, neither is China, and many of the first opponants of the USSR were strong socialists like Emma Goldman.

    2. revolution just means change, no socialists want the distribution to be those who actually earn it, through labor, not through property ownership.

    Capitalism is plutocratic by definition, thats like saying monarchies arn't monarchies because the king can change, also it is exclusive and growingly so, the rulers of capital are consolidating more and more, the American revolution was about political democracy.

    As for your last point that isn't an argument its just a talking point, Socialism has always been about democracy.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Unions ensured their own decline in the U.S. by only looking out for themselves.
    Doesn't respond to my point, and is really just ad hoc.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    We certainly have a lot more freedom in this country then you have in yours. Try running a business in both countries.... and see the difference.
    I've lived in both the United States and Norway ... running a buisiness isn't the only measure of freedom and infact applies to very few people, one of the most liberating things is not having my healthcare tied to an insurance company.

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