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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    Do Wallmart employees offer a special service or trade? They aren't teachers, cops, firefighters, sanitation, road side, emergency response, etc. They stock shelves and swipe items over a lazer.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Do Wallmart employees offer a special service or trade? They aren't teachers, cops, firefighters, sanitation, road side, emergency response, etc. They stock shelves and swipe items over a lazer.
    Well, they do have to remember some veggie/fruit codes - the one I recall from when I was working at the grocery store while in HS and a bit afterwards as a 2nd job and my wife still works for is 4011 = banannas. Not paticuarly taxing stuff. And certainly not worth the $12.00 (or so) I was making when I left after 7 years or so.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    Well, they do have to remember some veggie/fruit codes - the one I recall from when I was working at the grocery store while in HS and a bit afterwards as a 2nd job and my wife still works for is 4011 = banannas. Not paticuarly taxing stuff. And certainly not worth the $12.00 (or so) I was making when I left after 7 years or so.
    The point is what you just stated... high school job or second job for a particular reason. A high school level job doesn't merit much pay, IMO.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    Yes but if people had higher pay with better benefits than prices would have to go up to offset the increased costs.

    We go through this every time there is an increase in minimum wage.

    The real elephant in the room is liberals are unwilling to support their own beliefs. That's the central problem with every single "liberal" issue. "Main Street" isn't going out of business because greedy corporations are opening big box stores and paying their employees dick. "Main Street" is going out of business because liberals would rather save a few bucks at those big box stores.
    Dude. It's not just liberals. Even I can't let that particular bit of dissonance slide.

    The problems with chain establishments are several fold. The primary one is they destroy local economies because they push the profits to the headquarters rather than letting it stay local. Its not just the pay scales. The pay scales are pretty similar to the pay scales from when locals owned mom and pop stores but, for some reason, no one considered them permanent jobs. Now just because they are owned by large companies somehow they are expected to be long term, I just dont get that.

    I dont think there are any easy solutions here, its going to be next to impossible to unionize during one of the most stagnant economy stages we have ever seen. Replacement workers are everywhere. Wal-Mart also has a strong company culture that resists unionization. Im not sure how ethical it may or may not be, but I will say they have a lot of workers that dont want to unionize.

    Do I think retail cashiers and salespeople are underpaid? Some are, some are not.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    My only issue with what you said is that it's everybody doing it, not just liberals. Conservatives don't do it either. What's more representative of the conservative vision for America than an individual born with humble means starting their own business and thriving due to local support? Liberals oppose corporations treating their employees poorly yet they spend their money wherever is most convenient. The conservative vision of America is heavily drawn from small business owners yet conservatives aren't supporting small businesses.

    Still, there are a lot of people who do walk the walk and talk the talk and shop at the place that walks how they talk. And if more people did it, the increased costs due to higher wages and better benefits could be offset by more business drawn from support for these practices.

    But you're right, people still aren't doing it. But I think demographics are shifting and we'll continue to see more consumers who are informed and really do care. Wal-Mart is much better than they used to be and frankly I think it's only because they thought higher wages would attract the aforementioned people.

    That is not the conservative "vision" for America though.

    Conservatives want the freedom to do business with whomever and however we want.

    I'm not particularly partisan but I'm tired of Democrats whining about things they have no interest in doing themselves. They represent almost half of one of the most populated countries on the planet. Almost all of their pet issues would simply disappear if they actually lived the way they insist I should.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Dude. It's not just liberals. Even I can't let that particular bit of dissonance slide.

    The problems with chain establishments are several fold. The primary one is they destroy local economies because they push the profits to the headquarters rather than letting it stay local. Its not just the pay scales. The pay scales are pretty similar to the pay scales from when locals owned mom and pop stores but, for some reason, no one considered them permanent jobs. Now just because they are owned by large companies somehow they are expected to be long term, I just dont get that.

    I dont think there are any easy solutions here, its going to be next to impossible to unionize during one of the most stagnant economy stages we have ever seen. Replacement workers are everywhere. Wal-Mart also has a strong company culture that resists unionization. Im not sure how ethical it may or may not be, but I will say they have a lot of workers that dont want to unionize.

    Do I think retail cashiers and salespeople are underpaid? Some are, some are not.
    It is liberals though.

    We're not 121 pages into another anti-Walmart thread because half of one of the most populated countries in the world refuses to shop in a big box store. The whole issue would cease to exist if the same people who hate Walmart, etc. on internet message boards boycotted stores which do not pay cashiers a "living" wage.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    totally untrue when we had the last unionization of the country everyone thrived including the economy and the country...
    That is sadly not true. The drive to increase unionization in the 30's helped to prolong the Great Depression. Labor exists on the Demand/Supply curve, just like everything else. When you increase the cost, you decrease demand.

    .and again not true...there will always be someone to fill the pig void...there are alot of wannabe pigs just ask turtledude..
    excited to have a chance to call someone else a 'pig'?

    And it is true. If they did not benefit from taking those jobs, they would not take them. If the employers did not benefit from hiring the workers, they wouldn't hire them. Mutually Beneficial Trade - one persons' money for another persons' labor. You keep talking about how business owners make money off their employees - you seem to be forgetting that the flip side of that is that employees make their money off of their employers.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is sadly not true. The drive to increase unionization in the 30's helped to prolong the Great Depression. Labor exists on the Demand/Supply curve, just like everything else. When you increase the cost, you decrease demand.



    excited to have a chance to call someone else a 'pig'?

    And it is true. If they did not benefit from taking those jobs, they would not take them. If the employers did not benefit from hiring the workers, they wouldn't hire them. Mutually Beneficial Trade - one persons' money for another persons' labor. You keep talking about how business owners make money off their employees - you seem to be forgetting that the flip side of that is that employees make their money off of their employers.
    I consider all crooks pigs...and I could post everyday about an rich individual or a corporation that used their postion to lie, cheat steal from the public and even KILL them all for the endless pursuit of MORE PROFIT...

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    I'm not particularly partisan but I'm tired of Democrats whining about things they have no interest in doing themselves. They represent almost half of one of the most populated countries on the planet. Almost all of their pet issues would simply disappear if they actually lived the way they insist I should.
    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    It is liberals though.

    We're not 121 pages into another anti-Walmart thread because half of one of the most populated countries in the world refuses to shop in a big box store. The whole issue would cease to exist if the same people who hate Walmart, etc. on internet message boards boycotted stores which do not pay cashiers a "living" wage.
    What does boycotting Wal-Mart mean? Does it mean not shopping there? Because I don't. And I'm liberal, that doesn't mean I'm a Democrat.

    Who is going to spend their time boycotting stores? I chose my job according to what I feel good about doing. My line of work is helping people for much less money than I would get paid were I to spend my time trying to make money. I agree that the vast majority of people talk the talk but don't walk the walk. But I would caution you against thinking that anybody who says they hate Wal-Mart is a hypocrite because "they probably shop there too." Well I don't. I support local businesses, I go to farmer's markets and "ma and pa" stores, and I have no problem paying a little more for a responsible business. Even when I order pizza I call the local dude (a first generation immigrant from Italy who's pizza is awesome btw).

    I don't make much money and I can do it. Other people can, too. Asking for us to call in sick to go picket is ridiculous. I think a lot of people shop at Wal-Mart and other retail giants instead of supporting local commerce, and then try to justify it with the "it's what we all do" mentality. Well, I don't do it. Maybe more people should stop justifying how they spend their money and start paying more attention to it.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I consider all crooks pigs...and I could post everyday about an rich individual or a corporation that used their postion to lie, cheat steal from the public and even KILL them all for the endless pursuit of MORE PROFIT...
    As would I. In fact, I see no reason for the qualifier - anyone who would lie and murder for money is worthy of being considered a criminal.


    However, this is a thread about Wal-Mart; and specifically how some of their employees are upset about being low-value labor, and instead of deciding to do something about that by improving themselves, seem to prefer to blame their employer for their own lack.

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