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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    harry your forgetting something buddy...walmart sells thousands upon thousands of items...a penny here and 2 cents there and theres your raise...but see they want to put a nickle here and a dime there and add it to their profit like most corps and F the employees...this is an employer economy...
    You are confusing labor value with employee demands. Again, I can literally grab someone off the street and ask if they want to be a carter or greeter, cashiers are a semi-skilled labor force so I can pick from about 75 percent of the labor market. There is no leverage, if they don't like their situation, with all due respect tough ****.
    they have legions out of out of work needy people to just choose from...in this kind of climate the middle class gets pummeled..the problem is that this usually goes in cycles up and down now its been too long and the effects are getting devastating while the few pigs get fatter and fatter...there is no limit to their greed harry...they will take and take whatever they are allowed too...thats why we very much need a union revival in this country
    First piece of advice, for what it's worth. Don't think about "class" rather think about individual labor value, if people are willing to accept "good enough" they will be paid that value, it's only when an individual comes to the conclusion that "Hey, I can be a success if I learn from those at the top, I want that too" that people start to climb.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    harry your forgetting something buddy...walmart sells thousands upon thousands of items...a penny here and 2 cents there and theres your raise...but see they want to put a nickle here and a dime there and add it to their profit like most corps and F the employees...this is an employer economy...they have legions out of out of work needy people to just choose from...in this kind of climate the middle class gets pummeled..the problem is that this usually goes in cycles up and down now its been too long and the effects are getting devastating while the few pigs get fatter and fatter...there is no limit to their greed harry...they will take and take whatever they are allowed too...thats why we very much need a union revival in this country
    I just see that Walmart pays based on the value of the labor that they need.
    Again, Walmart doesn't require any special or unique skills, most of those are concentrated in corporate management, like buyers and operations managers.

    Walmart does offer competitive benefits, something people are either ignorant of or completely ignore.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Without the 2 million employess no one gets NOTHING not investors not the management not anyone...and the shareholders are not first..Management gets thiers first the shareholders and employees come last
    Incorrect, there are positions that can be streamlined into others, there are positions that can be eliminated. Again, if I can grab a guy off the street to do a person's job their leverage is 0.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How much were they providing before? And before, there were stories of Walmart pushing employees to make lack of pay with government services.


    Green told the crowded church how in her tenure with Wal-Mart, she's received two raises and is now a manager. She makes $9 an hour ($1 above the laughably-low California minimum wage). She pulled from her pocket three cards she claimed most Wal-Mart employees at her store have: a 10-percent Wal-Mart employee discount card, her employee ID and her EBT card (what used to be called food stamps).

    She relayed that 80 percent of her store's employees are on food stamps.

    Read more: The Herald-Sun - Let s kick Wal Mart off welfare

    This pay scale places employees with families below the poverty line, with the majority of employees' children qualifying for free lunch at school. When closely examined, this amounts to a form of corporate welfare, as the taxpayer subsidizes the low salaries. One-third are part-time employees - limited to less than 28 hours of work per week - and are not eligible for benefits.


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    Full-time employees are eligible for benefits, but the health insurance package is so expensive (employees pay 35 percent - almost double the national average) that less than half opt to buy it.

    PBS - STORE WARS: Wal-Mart Business Practices

    Its not just walmart boo..theres MILLIONS of americans underemployed and cant pay their bills and cant provide the necessities for their kids...corporations are lowering pays or kept them stagnant so long and lowered hours and only hire part timers and put millions more on food stamps so they can HAVE MORE PROFIT and to hear their cheerleaders all profit is good no matter what...unreal...its unbelievable to me that some cant see whats really going on..

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You are confusing labor value with employee demands. Again, I can literally grab someone off the street and ask if they want to be a carter or greeter, cashiers are a semi-skilled labor force so I can pick from about 75 percent of the labor market. There is no leverage, if they don't like their situation, with all due respect tough ****. First piece of advice, for what it's worth. Don't think about "class" rather think about individual labor value, if people are willing to accept "good enough" they will be paid that value, it's only when an individual comes to the conclusion that "Hey, I can be a success if I learn from those at the top, I want that too" that people start to climb.
    La come on man I know your much smarter than this...employees have NO CHOICES there are no jobs man..they have no choice but to take the crumbs thrown at them by the walmarts...look LA...most decent jobs where americans could actually make a living were sent out of the country..for more PROFIT.
    There were millions of jobs sent out that had nothing to do with the global economy or manufacturing...like phone operators, tech supports and customer service in places like india and the phillipines for more PROFIT all at the expense of american workers....this was a plan
    People are taking jobs they KNOW they cant live on and people that are far more qualified for other jobs that ju st arent available taking these jobs and the employers like walmart know they have a never ending pool of people they can screw and make work for peanuts and thats exactly what their doing
    If walmart NEEDED 10,000 employees to make money for them and couldnt get enough hired because their pay was to low they would jack that pay right up....this is classic greed and classic callousness...just because we can

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I just see that Walmart pays based on the value of the labor that they need.
    Again, Walmart doesn't require any special or unique skills, most of those are concentrated in corporate management, like buyers and operations managers.

    Walmart does offer competitive benefits, something people are either ignorant of or completely ignore.
    Walmart like any other store and many small business' that I watched go out of business cuz they were greedy...pay whatever they can get away with and still maintain their must have number of employees...in a bad economy they hire for LESS and give less hours...when they have problems getting employees they hire for more.
    When my daughter was hired in walmart in her area they had problems years ago hiring..they hired her for 2.00 an hour more and she was making more than others that were already working there 4 yrs....so when the time came they had a big employee pool they offer her a promotion she takes it then 4 months later they tell her they are eliminating her position she will NOT be replaced and shes going back to her old position..but oh btw you will be making 2.00 an hour less...and thats a fact harry.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Walmart like any other store and many small business' that I watched go out of business cuz they were greedy...pay whatever they can get away with and still maintain their must have number of employees...in a bad economy they hire for LESS and give less hours...when they have problems getting employees they hire for more.
    When my daughter was hired in walmart in her area they had problems years ago hiring..they hired her for 2.00 an hour more and she was making more than others that were already working there 4 yrs....so when the time came they had a big employee pool they offer her a promotion she takes it then 4 months later they tell her they are eliminating her position she will NOT be replaced and shes going back to her old position..but oh btw you will be making 2.00 an hour less...and thats a fact harry.
    Ok, that stinks for her.
    With that said, **** happens, my company has eliminated positions like that, forcing people to drop in pay scales less than what they were making before.

    That's how companies remain competitive, it sucks for the individual getting dropped, but that's how it works.
    Should they have kept her in that position, when they didn't need it and still pay her more?

    I really don't know what you want from people.
    A business isn't designed to give people money, just because they're being nice.
    They don't hand out dividends to non investors, they don't cut paychecks to non employees and they don't give away their stuff to people who don't pay (barring their charitable contributions).

    You seem to think that there is some onus on Walmart to do everything different, from what the rest of the business world does.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    La come on man I know your much smarter than this...employees have NO CHOICES there are no jobs man..they have no choice but to take the crumbs thrown at them by the walmarts...look LA...most decent jobs where americans could actually make a living were sent out of the country..for more PROFIT.
    Being serious here, thank you for the vote of confidence. That said, think about why those jobs are moving overseas. The better jobs like manufacturing, tech help, etc. have been artificially overvalued here, that's a problem, people here want more than competitive countries and with our regulatory nature and those associated costs something has to give. All that said, if I start my percussion company I want to do it here in La. and with American labor, we(Americans) are the best, we do the best work as a rule, and honestly I would put my patriotism to the test to make that happen. But if I have to pay a person 300% more to buff a drum shell there is a breaking point. This is where the choice is becoming limited, rules from D.C. are automatically making American labor uncompetitive, I hate it, but it's economic reality.
    There were millions of jobs sent out that had nothing to do with the global economy or manufacturing...like phone operators, tech supports and customer service in places like india and the phillipines for more PROFIT all at the expense of american workers....this was a plan
    Goes back to overvaluation. Is a tech worth 9$/hr. when a person in India will do it for 2$/hr. with the same competence?
    People are taking jobs they KNOW they cant live on and people that are far more qualified for other jobs that ju st arent available taking these jobs and the employers like walmart know they have a never ending pool of people they can screw and make work for peanuts and thats exactly what their doing
    I went from making an average of 15$/hr. to whatever the market would bear selling insurance, took a radio gig to lighten the financial burden, got burned out and am looking to get into a completely different field now. I understand what it takes to "make it" but also understand that if I'm not the guy in charge certain concessions have to be made on my part. The offensive thing here is people who are employees feeling entitled to the same perks as investors and management(their immediate employers)
    If walmart NEEDED 10,000 employees to make money for them and couldnt get enough hired because their pay was to low they would jack that pay right up....this is classic greed and classic callousness...just because we can
    Disagree. Walmart has had a long list of applicants in every type of market, many of their district managers started by sweeping floors(Sam Walton's book), the fact is when you want to move up in a company you learn how it works, the internals, who is owed money, and how to best fulfill the mission statement. The employees who typify what an organization wants to be will move up, those who feel entitled will stagnate.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Ok, that stinks for her.
    With that said, **** happens, my company has eliminated positions like that, forcing people to drop in pay scales less than what they were making before.

    That's how companies remain competitive, it sucks for the individual getting dropped, but that's how it works.
    Should they have kept her in that position, when they didn't need it and still pay her more?

    I really don't know what you want from people.
    A business isn't designed to give people money, just because they're being nice.
    They don't hand out dividends to non investors, they don't cut paychecks to non employees and they don't give away their stuff to people who don't pay (barring their charitable contributions).

    You seem to think that there is some onus on Walmart to do everything different, from what the rest of the business world does.
    Harry cmon..I respect you and your knowledge and your honesty ..it has nothing to do with being competitive walmart has no competition its GREED and all about increasing the bottom line and saving cash...look if a local store manager gets the job done with less employees and works the rest like dogs and saves the company X amt he gets a little..then his boss the regional manager gets a little...now arkansas gets a little from all 4000 stores then those pigs get a little...off of the skin of the ass of the cashier working 20 hrs a week...screw them harry competiton my ass

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Harry cmon..I respect you and your knowledge and your honesty ..it has nothing to do with being competitive walmart has no competition its GREED and all about increasing the bottom line and saving cash...look if a local store manager gets the job done with less employees and works the rest like dogs and saves the company X amt he gets a little..then his boss the regional manager gets a little...now arkansas gets a little from all 4000 stores then those pigs get a little...off of the skin of the ass of the cashier working 20 hrs a week...screw them harry competiton my ass
    Dude, that's just making the operation more efficient.
    Getting stuff done, with less people, is part of the operation.

    Manufacturing jobs have declined, because management wanted to stay competitive, less people can get more work done now.
    Yes, they use individual greed to accomplish this, it stinks for the low end worker, but that's life.
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