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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sounds good, but it doesn't work that way. And when management holds all the power, workers have often been abused. We do have history you know.
    Define "abused". In the distant past, true abuses may have happened, but what modern example do you have of it?

    I also disagree with your "management holds all the power". A friend of mine is a welder. He happens to be skilled enough to do pipeline and high quality construction. He doesn't work for any particular company but moves around when he feels like it and never has problems finding a job. One job he took, the immediate supervisor was a jerk. He simply walked away. Apparently, so did a lot of the other qualified welders, since the company contacted him a few months later to ask him to come back because they had fired the jerk. Since the job demands a high skill level and the supply of people capable of it does not exceed the jobs available, management had no power over them.

    Skilled labor often has some control over management because of the reduced competition for jobs, not from unions. Employers often seek out skilled labor in many areas because there are a limited number of skilled workers available and they have to offer more to keep/attract them. In the case of unskilled labor at walmart, this affect doesn't exist because it is just too easy to replace someone in most places. If someone is working at walmart because it is the only job they can get, then they also need to taking opportunities to get skill training in a marketable skill. If they don't, then they have demonstrated that part-time with no benefits is all they are worth and they will be payed at that level. Direct slavery and indentured servitude do not legally exist in this country. No one, other than the individual, can stop a walmart worker from bettering themselves.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    So she can just go and find another job in an economy everybody has a problem with?
    Yes she can. I know of a place where McDonalds is paying people $10.00/hr...which apparently is more than the average worker at Wal-Mart gets. They are getting that because there simply isn't enough people willing to do that job around there. Mainly because of all the oil companies hiring people in that area...which pays much better.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    The overwhelming false premise that I see in here so far is that these people are somehow 'locked' into a job, whether it be Wal Mart, or some other place that when painted by the liberal mindset is the equivalent of a modern day sweat shop. This is simply a lie.

    Wealth in this country is fungible, the pie is not finite. More millionaires are with us today than at any time in our past, and more are being made daily. Some people don't like their job, and switch to something else, others, go into business for themselves, and still more switch careers altogether.

    When I started out, as a young man fresh out of the Military, I found that my military training was not transferable to the outside world, so I went into sales...I did pretty good, but that was a tough time for sales period, and with a new family I needed something solid, and reliable. So I started driving truck. It has not made me rich, but it has provided a solid middle class existence for me and my family.

    The point is that people in this country can do what ever they want, even today at 50 yrs old, I could wake up tomorrow with a good idea, and strike it in my own business...We can not accept the liberal picture of workers held down in crappy jobs they hate, because that is their world, not reality.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    So she can just go and find another job in an economy everybody has a problem with?
    Start a small business. The democrats say they support small business.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We can not accept the liberal picture of workers held down in crappy jobs they hate, because that is their world, not reality.
    ^^This statement resonates with me. And, of course, these people are right about themselves. The only WAY they have a shot at the "American Dream" is in a union atmosphere where they will be consistently rewarded for mediocrity.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The overwhelming false premise that I see in here so far is that these people are somehow 'locked' into a job, whether it be Wal Mart, or some other place that when painted by the liberal mindset is the equivalent of a modern day sweat shop. This is simply a lie.

    Wealth in this country is fungible, the pie is not finite. More millionaires are with us today than at any time in our past, and more are being made daily. Some people don't like their job, and switch to something else, others, go into business for themselves, and still more switch careers altogether.

    When I started out, as a young man fresh out of the Military, I found that my military training was not transferable to the outside world, so I went into sales...I did pretty good, but that was a tough time for sales period, and with a new family I needed something solid, and reliable. So I started driving truck. It has not made me rich, but it has provided a solid middle class existence for me and my family.

    The point is that people in this country can do what ever they want, even today at 50 yrs old, I could wake up tomorrow with a good idea, and strike it in my own business...We can not accept the liberal picture of workers held down in crappy jobs they hate, because that is their world, not reality.
    And the funny thing is the newest rebuttal is "Yeah, but what if they have a great idea but can't fund it". I know this is going to be taken as insulting by some but A) Not everyone has great ideas or skillsets, which is why we have low paying jobs, like ditch diggers, stockers, etc. and (B) Not everyone has the risk tolerance or focus to fund a great idea once they have it.

    This is why inventors and businessmen are celebrated and usually demand higher pay, there aren't a lot of people with that large of a mental tool bag.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    And the funny thing is the newest rebuttal is "Yeah, but what if they have a great idea but can't fund it". I know this is going to be taken as insulting by some but A) Not everyone has great ideas or skillsets, which is why we have low paying jobs, like ditch diggers, stockers, etc. and (B) Not everyone has the risk tolerance or focus to fund a great idea once they have it.

    This is why inventors and businessmen are celebrated and usually demand higher pay, there aren't a lot of people with that large of a mental tool bag.

    Absolutely true....I over the years have had more than one good idea, but I know my limitations. I wouldn't have the first clue on how to even approach putting something into motion, nor do I have the expendable income to attempt it. So, I am what I am, and should I get fed up with it, I know it's up to me to change it, not my employer to take care of me.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The overwhelming false premise that I see in here so far is that these people are somehow 'locked' into a job, whether it be Wal Mart, or some other place that when painted by the liberal mindset is the equivalent of a modern day sweat shop. This is simply a lie.

    Wealth in this country is fungible, the pie is not finite. More millionaires are with us today than at any time in our past, and more are being made daily. Some people don't like their job, and switch to something else, others, go into business for themselves, and still more switch careers altogether.

    When I started out, as a young man fresh out of the Military, I found that my military training was not transferable to the outside world, so I went into sales...I did pretty good, but that was a tough time for sales period, and with a new family I needed something solid, and reliable. So I started driving truck. It has not made me rich, but it has provided a solid middle class existence for me and my family.

    The point is that people in this country can do what ever they want, even today at 50 yrs old, I could wake up tomorrow with a good idea, and strike it in my own business...We can not accept the liberal picture of workers held down in crappy jobs they hate, because that is their world, not reality.
    Please show a list of the statistics which show MORE jobs than workers in this nation. AND please show, city by city, where all these fantastic jobs are that hire a 50 years and banks which will give him/her money for a business.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes she can. I know of a place where McDonalds is paying people $10.00/hr...which apparently is more than the average worker at Wal-Mart gets. They are getting that because there simply isn't enough people willing to do that job around there. Mainly because of all the oil companies hiring people in that area...which pays much better.
    A recent article pointed out that this is so much the case in Minot ND, that a home improvement company is flying in workers from out of state.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Please show a list of the statistics which show MORE jobs than workers in this nation. AND please show, city by city, where all these fantastic jobs are that hire a 50 years and banks which will give him/her money for a business.

    Thanks.

    None of this have I claimed....I won't participate in your straw arguments.

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