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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    People would be better off worrying about themselves, rather than displaying their envy of someone else's station in life. Maybe then they would move up instead of trying to bring others down.
    Sounds good, but it doesn't work that way. And when management holds all the power, workers have often been abused. We do have history you know.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Thoughts anyone?
    Yeah, no one is forced to work at Walmart....

    Working at Walmart is not exactly like doing brain surgery. Go to college, learn a trade IDK.....

    If an individual doesn't like working for Walmart then they DONT HAVE TO.....This isn't the USSA just yet where you're assigned jobs - no there is free will.

    I don't comprehend why someone would want to continue working with a company they hate?

    It's not exactly like a Walmart pops up in a city of 2500 and becomes the only store in town.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Just stop, you are using the word selfish. I am saying that employees have a lot of nerve demanding anything, you earn and renegotiate wages, or you accept your conditions. I'm sick of people overestimating their value and trying to force employers to pay them more than what they are worth.
    I'll be concise because I've already said a lot. Two quick points:

    1. Many individuals who are offered a job at Wal-Mart can't turn it down because they're not in a position where they can wait longer and be more discerning. Good jobs are as elusive as the legendary bigfoot. They take an unfair deal because they're sick of watching the Price is Right all day while they scan the classifieds. With the amount of money Wal-Mart makes, it makes sense that these people are protesting - they think they are worth more than they're getting. And it's not just that they think they're paid too little, it's that they want all the future Wal-Mart applicants to receive a fair offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    As far as pay goes, yes, the company SHOULD have all the power. It is thier money. The only part of it that is the employee's is the amount that they agreed to when they were hired.
    When the writer's guild of America went on strike, part of it was that digital media was exploding and the writer's weren't seeing any money from it. It wasn't in their contract because it wasn't an anticipated issue in the past. With your line of reasoning, the writer's guild shouldn't have gone on strike because proceeds from internet sales and viewership were not in their contract. Does that seem fair to you? Bottom line - this isn't about giving handouts, this is about enforcing the laws without which working conditions and the existence of a competitive market would be depleted.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I'll be concise because I've already said a lot. Two quick points:

    1. Many individuals who are offered a job at Wal-Mart can't turn it down because they're not in a position where they can wait longer and be more discerning. Good jobs are as elusive as the legendary bigfoot. They take an unfair deal because they're sick of watching the Price is Right all day while they scan the classifieds. With the amount of money Wal-Mart makes, it makes sense that these people are protesting - they think they are worth more than they're getting. And it's not just that they think they're paid too little, it's that they want all the future Wal-Mart applicants to receive a fair offer.
    To the bolded. Why can't they turn them down? If they aren't in a position where they have a resume that is "better than Walmart" and they have to accept it why aren't there more options? Could it be that there is no employee leverage? If that is the case then it's their value at the time.

    You see, if a person is qualified for IT positions, offshore positions, management positions, and other better paying jobs they get those jobs. If all a person can get is Walmart cashier they shouldn't be trying to leverage an employer. This in a nutshell is what I am saying, if it's my company and an employee is "at will" they have accepted the terms of employment, if they try to be management there are two choices, I can a) Remind them that I am in charge or B) Fire them. The employee has two choices A)Recognize their current labor value or B) Find out the hard way what their real leverage is.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    1. Many individuals who are offered a job at Wal-Mart can't turn it down because they're not in a position where they can wait longer and be more discerning. Good jobs are as elusive as the legendary bigfoot. They take an unfair deal because they're sick of watching the Price is Right all day while they scan the classifieds. With the amount of money Wal-Mart makes, it makes sense that these people are protesting - they think they are worth more than they're getting. And it's not just that they think they're paid too little, it's that they want all the future Wal-Mart applicants to receive a fair offer.
    As my dad says. Never quit looking for a better job. If you have to work at Wal-Mart to pay the bills then fine, work there. But don't stay there. While you work there look for another, better paying job. Once you find it then quit and start the process over. When you're in the 47% everyone starts out at the bottom rung. But if you don't look for another job while getting paid crappy pay then you deserve that pay because it shows that you are not worth more than that. Or if you want to stay (more than likely cause you like the job/company) then always try and get a better position. You do that by educating yourself and applying for higher positions. Never, ever stay static. Push yourself and grow. You do that then your pay will grow also. All without once resorting to joining an union and most definitely without resorting to extortionist tactics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    When the writer's guild of America went on strike, part of it was that digital media was exploding and the writer's weren't seeing any money from it. It wasn't in their contract because it wasn't an anticipated issue in the past. With your line of reasoning, the writer's guild shouldn't have gone on strike because proceeds from internet sales and viewership were not in their contract. Does that seem fair to you? Bottom line - this isn't about giving handouts, this is about enforcing the laws without which working conditions and the existence of a competitive market would be depleted.
    Bold: The writers strike was understandable. It had something to do with them directly and was a new technology. When was the last time a new piece of technology affected some stocker at Wal-Mart?

    Underlined: Sorry, it has nothing to do with enforcing laws unless it has to do with safety. Pay has nothing to do with a workers safety. The only law there is about how much money a person must get is the minimum wage. And a competitive market is just not possible when you have no real skills. Anyone can put a can on a shelf and as such anyone doing that is quite expendable.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Bold: The writers strike was understandable. It had something to do with them directly and was a new technology. When was the last time a new piece of technology affected some stocker at Wal-Mart?
    Underlined: Sorry, it has nothing to do with enforcing laws unless it has to do with safety. Pay has nothing to do with a workers safety. The only law there is about how much money a person must get is the minimum wage. And a competitive market is just not possible when you have no real skills. Anyone can put a can on a shelf and as such anyone doing that is quite expendable.
    Pretty sure I never posted the quote you're attributing to me.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Pretty sure I never posted the quote you're attributing to me.

    fyi
    WHOOPS! I do apologize. You didn't. I just forgot to make sure to copy Mustachio's quote tag when writing that post.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sounds good, but it doesn't work that way. And when management holds all the power, workers have often been abused. We do have history you know.
    Mgmt doesn't "hold all the power"... You don't have to work there. You can find employment elsewhere, or if you are confident enough in a skill, or trade you have you can start your own business and work for yourself.

    Your's is a false dilemma...
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Then tell her to get the **** out of there. She shouldn't work for such a rotten company.
    So she can just go and find another job in an economy everybody has a problem with?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I'll be concise because I've already said a lot. Two quick points:

    1. Many individuals who are offered a job at Wal-Mart can't turn it down because they're not in a position where they can wait longer and be more discerning. Good jobs are as elusive as the legendary bigfoot. They take an unfair deal because they're sick of watching the Price is Right all day while they scan the classifieds. With the amount of money Wal-Mart makes, it makes sense that these people are protesting - they think they are worth more than they're getting. And it's not just that they think they're paid too little, it's that they want all the future Wal-Mart applicants to receive a fair offer.

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    When the writer's guild of America went on strike, part of it was that digital media was exploding and the writer's weren't seeing any money from it. It wasn't in their contract because it wasn't an anticipated issue in the past. With your line of reasoning, the writer's guild shouldn't have gone on strike because proceeds from internet sales and viewership were not in their contract. Does that seem fair to you? Bottom line - this isn't about giving handouts, this is about enforcing the laws without which working conditions and the existence of a competitive market would be depleted.
    You need to realize that value, or in this case salary, is heavily based on supply versus demand. Jobs like a Hostess factory worker or Walmart store employee are jobs which the vast majority of working adults would qualify for. Therefore, these jobs will and should fall at the bottom of the working salaries. The fact that these workers are expecting more than their jobs are worth is due in part to the stupid entitlements bug going around.
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