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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? Minimum wage is set by the gov't not Walmart or McDonalds. When did these entry level, low/semi-skilled positions pay more? What has changed, IMHO, is the ability to imply that now any job should allow a comfortable, independent existance. When I worked a single, full time job, at the minimum wage I knew, full well, that I would not be able to afford renting without a roommate, driving a "good" car and certainly did not expect to be able to support any dependents on that pay. What many now seem to expect is that these same entry level jobs will somehow allow us to live comfortably by either forcing their pay rates up or to supplement that meager income with gov't assistance making a single "McJob" become sufficient for independent living, or even raising a family.
    Actually, these jobs were paid higher before Walmart took over the world. That is simple fact. As to extending our arguments to mean that we think that Walmart jobs should yield a 'comfortable' existence, that is your doing, and is on you. Please quote where someone said they wanted Walmart work to yield a comfortable life.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    I think companies like Walmart, Exxon, Enron, BP, Bank of America, Citi, Chase, McDonald's, etc use people up as employees and customers. They don't go away but they're eventually labeled for what they are, the big nasty.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    You haven't proven your assertions either. Very few of us ever do here, actually. We state our opinions and give indications as to the basis on which we formed them, but vanishingly rarely does anyone here ever make an explicit and sound logical argument. What is your point?
    For their to be exploitation, there has to be few or no choices of an alternative.
    Walmart does not have a monopoly on unskilled labor.

    Payscale says that Walmart pay's it's employees, on average, 3% below market, but they do not include the benefits like in the store discount card, which can more than make up the difference.

    Problem is here, that big companies tend to pay more in tax advantaged benefits, rather than direct cash compensation.
    Why? because it benefits the employer and employee, more than you think.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Do you really think a corporation such as Walmart got rich by avoiding taxes?
    Oh no. I'm sorry but I'm not going down that road; I would like to stay on the one that you started to go down however. Please note that you did state:
    Quote Originally Posted by earlier, Mycroft wrote:
    As I have with other posters, I reject your contention that Walmart has any responsibility or mandate to improve the general state of our economy or to reduce the number of people who take government benefits. Their only responsibility it toward maximizing the profits of their stockholders.
    Now seeing that Walmart would be poorer if those tax cuts and loopholes were removed, I stand by my earlier insertion.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There is no reason for them to unionize other than exploitation.
    Their job skills and abilities are not sufficient enough to warrant special protections.
    BS!

    Just like the corporate mantra is corporate profits at all cost, regardless of how it affects our workers, the workers mantra should be, individual profits at all cost, regardless of how it affects Walmart.

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? Minimum wage is set by the gov't not Walmart or McDonalds. When did these entry level, low/semi-skilled positions pay more? What has changed, IMHO, is the ability to imply that now any job should allow a comfortable, independent existance. When I worked a single, full time job, at the minimum wage I knew, full well, that I would not be able to afford renting without a roommate, driving a "good" car and certainly did not expect to be able to support any dependents on that pay. What many now seem to expect is that these same entry level jobs will somehow allow us to live comfortably by either forcing their pay rates up or to supplement that meager income with gov't assistance making a single "McJob" become sufficient for independent living, or even raising a family.
    All your opponents want is for wallmart to pay a simple living wage for the person earning it. We're not asking for it to support a family, just the person earning it. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

    IMHO, it's only natural to expect that. When a person spends their days earning for a corporation, does that same corporation not have an obligation to them?

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    All your opponents want is for wallmart to pay a simple living wage for the person earning it. We're not asking for it to support a family, just the person earning it. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

    IMHO, it's only natural to expect that. When a person spends their days earning for a corporation, does that same corporation not have an obligation to them?
    The problem is that living wages are subjective.
    Walmart employees always have the option of buying shares with a bonus, to earn additional quarterly profits.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    For their to be exploitation, there has to be few or no choices of an alternative.
    Walmart does not have a monopoly on unskilled labor.
    That is an oversimplified model of the dynamic in play.

    Payscale says that Walmart pay's it's employees, on average, 3% below market, but they do not include the benefits like in the store discount card, which can more than make up the difference.
    Over time, Walmart's way of doing business have moved the market average down. Other stores have had to compete with a company that successfully exploited its workforce, and to meet that aggressive competitor in the marketplace, have had to behave more like Walmart. To quote current averages is meaningless in this kind of a context.

    Problem is here, that big companies tend to pay more in tax advantaged benefits, rather than direct cash compensation.
    Why? because it benefits the employer and employee, more than you think.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    So are Walmart workers part of the 47% that don't pull their weight?

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    The only reason for them to unionize is because they can not keep their jobs any other way if they 'strike'.

    In this economy if they walked off the job there are 100 people to replace them.

    Everyone wants to look at the whole 'living wage' equation from one side. The income side. They never want to look at the spending side. Either it is dismissed as having to accept inflation, or over spending is dismissed as private. It is still inappropriate to put the full burden on the employer. They need a job done, they are willing to pay X amount. They should have no other obligations to provide anything else.

    If things cost too much, well you can't be blaming Wal-mart for that!
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