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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I worked for Wall-Mart for 3 years. I did cashiering, cart collecting (which are the people who do carry-outs, aka fit the TV into the car), I've unloaded deliveries, worked in the backroom warehouse, layaway, sold guns and fishing/hunting licenses and bag-tags at sporting goods, and my fav job: outside lawn&guarded during the summer.

    I've also been shot at and mortared in Afghanistan.

    Losing a child is stressful. Divorce is stressful. Combat is stressful. Preparing to take in 2 small nieces because my sister had a very good chance of dying in brain surgery a couple years ago was stressful.

    Only whiny little bitches with no life experience think helping some customers, pushing some carts and stocking shelves is stressful.

    Ever been a "lead Tank" in a 40-man raid in World of Warcraft? Even that is more stressful than any job at Wall-Mart.
    Ahh, a classic internet response. You worked at "Wall-Mart" for three years and worked at every single position inside the store. You should have also said that you worked at a Wal-Mart in every state, that would have been a good touch. But if you want people to think you worked at Wal-Mart for three years I would suggest that you spell it correctly. That put a damper on it for me.

    Anyway, to respond to the substance of your comment - what you just said could be applied to any job in the world. You could say "waiter? I fought in all the wars and only a donkey loving caviar eatin' son of a jerk face would think being a waiter is stressful!" Would this comment be of any meaning? Sure it would, but only to you. People get stressed out at their jobs, especially when they make very little money and have no prospects for the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Sheesh. If people think their Walmart jobs are stressfull they should try waiting tables in a busy restaurant, when it's asses and elbows in the foyer it's nothing but pressure in the dining room. Management's favorite gripe "Make your tables happy, but hurry them up for God's sake!"
    It seems like people in this thread think I work at Walmart. First, If I worked there I would say Wal-Mart. Second, I went to Walmart for the first time in 2006 while passing through Hastings, Minnesota, and I didn't go there again after that until 2011. I'm not Walmart lover. I loathe Walmart. Third, I have had a lot of jobs in my life, and I have had a lot of unfortunate medical problems. Neither stress or experiences have been lacking in my case.

    The really unfortunate thing is that there are no Walmart employees here to talk to your firsthand. But I have been happy to stand up for them as I would be to stand up for anybody being exploited by anyone anywhere. Just like I said - Walmart comes to a community, kills local commerce, takes on the displaced employees and hire them to work long hours for little money and bare bones benefits because they know they can take advantage of these people. That's the truth.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

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    It seems like people in this thread think I work at Walmart.
    If I thought you ever worked for the company I would have said so. My commentary was on the griping about how hard the employees "feel" they have it versus reality.
    First, If I worked there I would say Wal-Mart. Second, I went to Walmart for the first time in 2006 while passing through Hastings, Minnesota, and I didn't go there again after that until 2011. I'm not Walmart lover. I loathe Walmart. Third, I have had a lot of jobs in my life, and I have had a lot of unfortunate medical problems. Neither stress or experiences have been lacking in my case.
    Fine, but stress is very relative. And it seems like some either can't handle job responsibility OR they want to be overcompensated by overplaying their "hardships", either way it's not a commentary on your situation but rather at will employees wanting to run the business. When one is employed they know the conditions at hiring, it's fair to ask for changes, but not so much to demand them.

    The really unfortunate thing is that there are no Walmart employees here to talk to your firsthand. But I have been happy to stand up for them as I would be to stand up for anybody being exploited by anyone anywhere. Just like I said - Walmart comes to a community, kills local commerce, takes on the displaced employees and hire them to work long hours for little money and bare bones benefits because they know they can take advantage of these people. That's the truth.
    Defend them all you like, it doesn't change the facts at hand; They are at will employees, easily replaceable, have little leverage(generous appraisal), and demand they be compensated at higher levels than their demand commands.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Defend them all you like, it doesn't change the facts at hand; They are at will employees, easily replaceable, have little leverage(generous appraisal), and demand they be compensated at higher levels than their demand commands.
    This thread is about employees demanding better wages, but the vast majority of their employees never say anything and they never would say anything. They are subjected to the same things we've all been subjected to as base level employees. Being asked to cover for other employees or every other employee, preventing us from having benefits and being eligible for a promotion. We're not going to stop corporations from treating their employees that way, which is why we should require them to provide health care to any employee who makes the majority of their income in that job. I also think we should have a minimum wage increase for employees depending on that job to pay their bills or for those who have children. Again, this thread is about employees speaking up for themselves, but that's pretty rare. Has anyone in this thread ever gone on strike? Has anyone posting here picketed their employer? Have you tried to start a union?
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    This thread is about employees demanding better wages, but the vast majority of their employees never say anything and they never would say anything.
    I can acknowledge that, and that's fine. My comments are targeted to specific employees trying to play boss, and the unions trying to force the hand of the company to pay what they want. Employment is not supposed to work that way.
    They are subjected to the same things we've all been subjected to as base level employees. Being asked to cover for other employees or every other employee, preventing us from having benefits and being eligible for a promotion.
    That is base level employment though, you've got to start somewhere. The idea though isn't to bring pay and benefits to an inflated value but rather to encourage the employees to increase theirs.
    We're not going to stop corporations from treating their employees that way, which is why we should require them to provide health care to any employee who makes the majority of their income in that job. I also think we should have a minimum wage increase for employees depending on that job to pay their bills or for those who have children.
    Negative. There is no reason to give the government any more authority than it has asserted for itself, there is already too much intervention in the market.
    Again, this thread is about employees speaking up for themselves, but that's pretty rare.
    This thread is about employees demanding more value than they command, that isn't "speaking up" for oneself, that is the definition of feeling entitled to that which hasn't been earned. I've paid my dues, and I will have to pay more, the difference is I take what is offered happily and look up.
    Has anyone in this thread ever gone on strike?
    Not me, and I never will.
    Has anyone posting here picketed their employer?
    I'll tell you this, I'd like to turn my ideas into reality and become an employer, I would rather fire an employee than have them assert my risk should be their overall reward.
    Have you tried to start a union?
    See above, and I would shutter a company before I would allow a union to be formed.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No wiggling, no deflecting. The employer doesn't buy the union, the employee does. You are in fact being creative.
    See you keep changing the relationship.
    The employer is buying labor, from the union, they have to negotiate with, the union.
    The union is a monopoly on labor, for the employer.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It would be interesting to read. But if the company broke a law, would you prefer the court ignore that?
    Depends on the law. There are many laws that I don't like that I think it would be ok for courts to ignore. Oh wait a minute, scratch that, if I wanted to ignore law or the Constitution, I would be a Union loving Liberal.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I've paid my dues, and I will have to pay more, the difference is I take what is offered happily and look up.

    I'll tell you this, I'd like to turn my ideas into reality and become an employer, I would rather fire an employee than have them assert my risk should be their overall reward. See above, and I would shutter a company before I would allow a union to be formed.
    What you are saying is that it is selfish to ask for more, but not selfish to refuse to give from what you have. If your car breaks down on the highway, is it selfish to ask for a ride back into town? If a man gets on the bus to go to work and finds he has no change in his pocket, is it selfish to ask for change from another passenger? And is it respectable to have a pocket full of change but refuse to lend a hand to this man asking nothing more than a few quarters that may very well end up underneath your couch cushion? Now consider the same situation with the knowledge that right before the man got on the bus, his change was stolen. Did the individuals in Walmart's board room ever ask for more? Did they ever speak up for themselves, demand they be fairly compensated for their work? Do you really think the millionaires in this country made it to where they are without ever taking a penny more than what they were given?

    Have you ever considered that maybe you're not an employer because you have never asked for more? If you refuse to see virtue in the "have nots" standing up for themselves, that's fine. But you are mistaken in presuming the virtue of the "haves" in this matter. These are people who were given everything and still demanded more. You can stand up for them, but make no mistake about who you are standing up for.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    What you are saying is that it is selfish to ask for more, but not selfish to refuse to give from what you have. If your car breaks down on the highway, is it selfish to ask for a ride back into town? If a man gets on the bus to go to work and finds he has no change in his pocket, is it selfish to ask for change from another passenger? And is it respectable to have a pocket full of change but refuse to lend a hand to this man asking nothing more than a few quarters that may very well end up underneath your couch cushion? Now consider the same situation with the knowledge that right before the man got on the bus, his change was stolen. Did the individuals in Walmart's board room ever ask for more? Did they ever speak up for themselves, demand they be fairly compensated for their work? Do you really think the millionaires in this country made it to where they are without ever taking a penny more than what they were given?

    Have you ever considered that maybe you're not an employer because you have never asked for more? If you refuse to see virtue in the "have nots" standing up for themselves, that's fine. But you are mistaken in presuming the virtue of the "haves" in this matter. These are people who were given everything and still demanded more. You can stand up for them, but make no mistake about who you are standing up for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    See you keep changing the relationship.
    The employer is buying labor, from the union, they have to negotiate with, the union.
    The union is a monopoly on labor, for the employer.
    That is simply not true. The union doesn't hire anyone, so it can't sell it to the employer. The union merely works for employees, hired by the employer, to negotiate a contract. All employees are hired by the company. You are the one mischaracterizing the relationships.

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