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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RLN View Post
    Seeing that proponents of tax cuts talk that tax cuts for the wealthy are needed for an improved, strong economy, I can only be lead to believe that what the proponents of those tax cuts for the wealthy are incorrect.

    It is neither my or the public's responsibility to allow a rich person to get even more financially empowered by enjoying the privilege of getting that way through the removal of that person's public debt responsibility.
    Well, that's something new. What is a person's "public debt responsibility"?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Organizing into a union so that you cannot be exploited is an excellent reason for unionization. Thank you for recognizing that.
    They organize into a union, in order to exploit.
    Creating a labor monopoly, to artificially drive up wages, is exploitation.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, what you say is ludicrous. They are not paying people based on their individual value. They are utilizing certain "market forces" to put downward pressure on wages.
    What? Minimum wage is set by the gov't not Walmart or McDonalds. When did these entry level, low/semi-skilled positions pay more? What has changed, IMHO, is the ability to imply that now any job should allow a comfortable, independent existance. When I worked a single, full time job, at the minimum wage I knew, full well, that I would not be able to afford renting without a roommate, driving a "good" car and certainly did not expect to be able to support any dependents on that pay. What many now seem to expect is that these same entry level jobs will somehow allow us to live comfortably by either forcing their pay rates up or to supplement that meager income with gov't assistance making a single "McJob" become sufficient for independent living, or even raising a family.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Baloney to you.

    While I don't disagree with anything else you've said in the above post, Walmart makes those worker's bad market circumstance even worse, through the mechanisms I have asserted. There is no excuse for that kind of exploitation.
    You haven't proven this.
    You have just merely stated it as fact.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Hopefully they will be successful in this endeavor. The only real hope these workers have is to organize a union.

    but only because in their younger years they made so little effort at preparing themselves to be part of the highly skilled workforce.....
    There will always be low skill jobs, and there will always be people to take those jobs. If Walmart pays more, their prices will go up and they will lose some of their competitive lead....that being said, though, they could probably give out a 10% raise to their lower tiered employees and still have a substantial lead over Target, Kmart, and their other competitors...
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by RLN View Post
    Seeing that proponents of tax cuts talk that tax cuts for the wealthy are needed for an improved, strong economy, I can only be lead to believe that what the proponents of those tax cuts for the wealthy are incorrect.

    It is neither my or the public's responsibility to allow a rich person to get even more financially empowered by enjoying the privilege of getting that way through the removal of that person's public debt responsibility.
    Do you really think a corporation such as Walmart got rich by avoiding taxes?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Blaming corporations for trying to minimize "corporate responsibility" and at the same time wanting to force them to live "corporate responsibly" is not wanting to have it both ways.

    An analogous situation would be having voluntary speed limits and then when people didn't obey them, wanting to force people to live by involuntary speed limits.

    As for dictatorial government: I could meet you ridiculous characterization for ridiculous characterization, but it is far too tiresome. Best to just dismiss you.
    Yes it is. You contend that it's their fault that they partially bought into the "corporate responsibility" meme. I remind you of your words: "It is corporations that have allowed this view to develop that somehow they can be responsive to other imperatives."
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You haven't proven this.
    You have just merely stated it as fact.
    You haven't proven your assertions either. Very few of us ever do here, actually. We state our opinions and give indications as to the basis on which we formed them, but vanishingly rarely does anyone here ever make an explicit and sound logical argument. What is your point?
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
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    but only because in their younger years they made so little effort at preparing themselves to be part of the highly skilled workforce.....
    There will always be low skill jobs, and there will always be people to take those jobs. If Walmart pays more, their prices will go up and they will lose some of their competitive lead....that being said, though, they could probably give out a 10% raise to their lower tiered employees and still have a substantial lead over Target, Kmart, and their other competitors...
    If I were WalMart management, I wouldn't pay them any more than market forces required at this particular time. With all the pressure to form a union there, and knowing that if that happens, they will negotiate to pay more per hour, I'd keep it exactly where it is until they unionized, figuring it's inevitable.
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    Re: Walmart workers demand better wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They organize into a union, in order to exploit.
    Creating a labor monopoly, to artificially drive up wages, is exploitation.
    yes, but it is leftist exploitation, the good kind....
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