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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Maybe this is why they couldn't envision a threat coming that turned out to be lethal for our Ambassador in Libya.

    Our intelligence is pretty unintelligent.
    That's the one unassailable counter to all the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Simply put, our government isn't efficient or capable enough to pull such a stunt off.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    C.I.A. Closes Its Climate Change Office - NYTimes.com


    Question: Why the hell did the CIA have a climate change office to begin with? No wonder we are broke!
    From your link, if you had bothered....

    The C.I.A. for several years has studied the national security implications of climate change,” Mr. Ebitz said in an e-mailed statement. “As part of a broader realignment of analytic resources, this work continues to be performed by a dedicated team in a new office that looks at economic and energy matters affecting America’s national security. The mission and the resources devoted to it remain essentially unchanged.”
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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's why we have an EPA.
    The EPA isn't charged with studying national security.
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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I'm not so sure that Chris Stevens held that view as he was being killed by the attacking mob or the RPG's or the Mortar fire hoping for 7 hours that the thousands of military personnel within about a 1 hour flight might be dispatched to protect civilians in a was zone. I'm not so sure that when he asked for additional security, he felt completely safe or when he witnesses the several incidents that led up to this one.
    As emotional as that is for many, including myself, I would not presume to speak for him or anyone else. However, that doesn't change reality either, nor make the hyperbole less exaggerated.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As emotional as that is for many, including myself, I would not presume to speak for him or anyone else. However, that doesn't change reality either, nor make the hyperbole less exaggerated.


    Which of those points is not true and accurate?

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    According to your article, they had one to study security implications. I believe they do this with nearly anything they can envision possible threats growing from.
    Probably to investigate the far left eco terrorists like Earth First

    In other related news:

    BREAKING: Two People Barricade Themselves Inside Keystone XL Pipe To Halt Construction » Tar Sands Blockade

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Probably to investigate the far left eco terrorists like Earth First

    In other related news:

    BREAKING: Two People Barricade Themselves Inside Keystone XL Pipe To Halt Construction » Tar Sands Blockade
    Which has nothing to do with a single thing I said.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Which of those points is not true and accurate?
    Your conclusions you reach, and the accompanying histeria is when the falsehood and inaccuracies reside.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Your conclusions you reach, and the accompanying histeria is when the falsehood and inaccuracies reside.


    I really didn't think you would point to anything that is not true since it's all true.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Several quick things:

    1. The difference between emissions and absorption has not, at least as far as paleoclimate records go, been stable. Imbalances have occurred.
    2. In the past, a warming (very likely tied to rising solar insolation) triggered the release of greenhouse gases e.g., from melting permafrost. Emissions exceeded absorption.
    3. Those greenhouse gases amplified the warming.
    4. Once the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases peaked (usually after solar insolation had been decreasing), absorption exceeded increases.
    5. Cooling commenced.

    Today, human activities have boosted emissions of greenhouse gases (natural + human). Although the human contribution is small relative to nature's contribution, it tipped the balance where emissions now regularly exceed absorption. The result is rising atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases.

    Prior to this development, there had been a general cooling trend in the Arctic, related to slowly declining solar insolation. Solar insolation continues to decline. Nevertheless, the literature suggests that the cooling in the Arctic abruptly stopped sometime after 1900 and then reversed. Today, the Arctic might be as warm as it has been in nearly 5,000 years (some uncertainty exists). This warming, even as the trigger might be the marginal contribution from human activities, has led to growing releases of greenhouse gases from the permafrost. That process is a response to Arctic warming regardless of the causation of such warming.

    In terms of policy, difficult trade-offs exist. If nations immediately and dramatically scale back use of fossil fuels, the energy supply will be less reliable and energy will be substantially more costly. The economic costs would be high and some nations would lock themselves in a suboptimal state of development (materially lower living standards than would otherwise be the case). No country is giving consideration to such an approach. If nations take a "business as usual" approach, atmospheric greenhouse concentrations might double from pre-industrial levels. Costs associated with that outcome would likely be significant. They are difficult to quantify. A middle course would involve robust R&D and increased efficiency/conservation. Atmospheric concentrations would still rise for the time being, but could level off earlier. Ultimately, humanity will need to have alternatives given the finite supply of fossil fuels, and when one considers geopolitical risks associated with the location of energy resources (excepting those in Canada, the U.S., and some more stable areas), such a middle course might be the least costly and far less disruptive than the first policy path and less costly than the second.

    Ultimately, nations will have to make decisions that are in their best interest. Their choices will impact one another. Given the differences in national interests, different nations are likely to adopt different policy courses.
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