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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    In sensitivity analysis one examines possible impacts of scenarios. One scenario might be a +2.5°C increase in global temperatures from a doubling of carbon dioxide coupled with the latest scientific thinking concerning such factors ranging from the incidence/intensity of heat waves to sea level rise. The CIA does not seek to affirm or reaffirm those ideas. It looks at possible economic, social, and geopolitical impacts should such a scenario occur. The logical question then concerns what are the national security/policy implications of such scenarios for the U.S. Of course, as with any analysis there is uncertainty.


    Just a couple points of clarification:

    The Green house effect of every incremental increase of CO2 in the atmosphere has a logarithmically decreasing impact. The entire contribution of CO2 to the atmosphere from the combined industry of the United States is less than the contribution of the CO2 emitting from the bogs of the thawing perm frost in Siberia each year.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    well gee I don't know.. God forbid the government takes action in considering the possible implications of our planet's CONSTANTLY CHANGING CONDITIONS.

    Super spies...

    Is there anything they don't know?

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Months? No, most of what we know we learned fairly soon. One reason this hasn't caught the fire some conservatives want is because liken so much they overstate the situation. I t,hint you're doing that here as we'll.


    You think that overstatement is the thing that makes a Liberal ignore something? That's interesting. Do ever listen to Liberals?

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    lol...
    U must have been offended. sorry

    Whoops. Never mind. Just read through the subsequent posts.
    Last edited by code1211; 12-01-12 at 10:07 AM.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Just a couple points of clarification:

    The Green house effect of every incremental increase of CO2 in the atmosphere has a logarithmically decreasing impact. The entire contribution of CO2 to the atmosphere from the combined industry of the United States is less than the contribution of the CO2 emitting from the bogs of the thawing perm frost in Siberia each year.
    The incremental increase of CO2 would currently be zero without human activity adding CO2 to the atmosphere.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post

    Did the victims not immediately request aid?

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    This is astonishing news.

    Who will do all the spinning and propaganda dissemination for EXXON and the Peabody Coal company now?

    You may have to write to your member of congress

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Just a couple points of clarification:

    The Green house effect of every incremental increase of CO2 in the atmosphere has a logarithmically decreasing impact. The entire contribution of CO2 to the atmosphere from the combined industry of the United States is less than the contribution of the CO2 emitting from the bogs of the thawing perm frost in Siberia each year.
    The issue is humanity's marginal contribution. Without that marginal contribution of greenhouse gases, the earth's natural emissions and absorption would be in balance and atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations would not be rising.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The incremental increase of CO2 would currently be zero without human activity adding CO2 to the atmosphere.

    In every period of warming, the sequestration of CO2 in places like Siberia has reduced causing increased CO2 in the atmosphere. The warming started prior to the Anthropogenic contribution of CO2 to the atmosphere.

    It is reasonable to assume that the pre-existing warming would have caused increased emission of CO2 from natural sources absent the anthropogenic contribution which is about 3 % of the annual total contribution from all sources.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    This is astonishing news.

    Who will do all the spinning and propaganda dissemination for EXXON and the Peabody Coal company now?

    You may have to write to your member of congress



    Again, I'm unable to see any connection to what I wrote and your response.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The issue is humanity's marginal contribution. Without that marginal contribution of greenhouse gases, the earth's natural emissions and absorption would be in balance and atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations would not be rising.


    Out of curiosity, do you think that this balanced just happened?

    It seems reasonable that the balance occurred in this very dynamic system because the variety of things that eat CO2 caught up with the variety of things that emit CO2.

    The level of CO2 rose precipitously after the latest Ice Age ended. This occurred because areas that were under glaciers warmed, thawed and released the sequestered CO2 that the Frozen Tundra, even that outside of Lambeau Field, was holding.

    Right now, today, the thawing bogs of Siberia are releasing more CO2 sequestered there than the combined industry of the USA.

    This tells us two things: 1) The Frozen tundra of the Siberian bogs locked through recorded history in perm frost once grew various Carbon based life forms, but that was before they froze. We are warming to the point at which they were before they froze and: 2) The contribution made by Man to the atmosphere is really pretty small as a apart of the whole.

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