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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes there is. A real connection.

    A no, not blind. But human. Not able to know all things at all times, or to make the world safe. Many argued not so long ago that imperial invasions like Iraq would spread democracy and make the world safe. Of course it doesn't work that way, and instead we just help the problems grow and helped train those who will continue attacking us.

    Synthesis is where look at all your information and makes reasoned judgments.

    I'm of the Viet nam generation, so I have a healthy suspicion of any war. I will admit to being cautiously optimistic that planting a democracy in the Middle east might have caused it to spread. I thought it might take 50 years to see if it worked or not. I was wrong.

    Wrong to be optimistic, wrong that it would take 50 years and wrong that it had any chance of working at all.

    My post to which you responded was laced with sarcasm. I think our intelligence folks had the good info and the right diagnoses of everything that was going on, but the administration held off on the help for reasons that only they know. They seem to have intentionally sacrificed a good man and did so by omission. Whether they were frozen in fear, frozen in analysis, frozen in confusion or just frozen in debate, they froze at the time when action was needed.

    This administration is a disgrace and it hurts us by lying to us and abandoning the brave front liners to our enemies.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I'm of the Viet nam generation, so I have a healthy suspicion of any war. I will admit to being cautiously optimistic that planting a democracy in the Middle east might have caused it to spread. I thought it might take 50 years to see if it worked or not. I was wrong.

    Wrong to be optimistic, wrong that it would take 50 years and wrong that it had any chance of working at all.

    My post to which you responded was laced with sarcasm. I think our intelligence folks had the good info and the right diagnoses of everything that was going on, but the administration held off on the help for reasons that only they know. They seem to have intentionally sacrificed a good man and did so by omission. Whether they were frozen in fear, frozen in analysis, frozen in confusion or just frozen in debate, they froze at the time when action was needed.

    This administration is a disgrace and it hurts us by lying to us and abandoning the brave front liners to our enemies.
    You may still be reading more of your bias or Fox's bias into this issue. We'll see when all the information is in.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    C.I.A. Closes Its Climate Change Office - NYTimes.com


    Question: Why the hell did the CIA have a climate change office to begin with? No wonder we are broke!
    FYI, the office was not engaged in any kind of scientific work associated with the study of climate change. It focused on considering the possible implications of climate change. In any case, that work will continue, but there won't be a specific office dedicated to it.

    From the NYT article to which a link was provided:

    Todd Ebitz, a C.I.A. spokesman, said that the agency would continue to monitor the security and humanitarian challenges posed by climate change as part of its focus on economic security, but not in a stand-alone office.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I'm of the Viet nam generation, so I have a healthy suspicion of any war. I will admit to being cautiously optimistic that planting a democracy in the Middle east might have caused it to spread. I thought it might take 50 years to see if it worked or not. I was wrong.

    Wrong to be optimistic, wrong that it would take 50 years and wrong that it had any chance of working at all.

    My post to which you responded was laced with sarcasm. I think our intelligence folks had the good info and the right diagnoses of everything that was going on, but the administration held off on the help for reasons that only they know. They seem to have intentionally sacrificed a good man and did so by omission. Whether they were frozen in fear, frozen in analysis, frozen in confusion or just frozen in debate, they froze at the time when action was needed.

    This administration is a disgrace and it hurts us by lying to us and abandoning the brave front liners to our enemies.
    You're completely wrong on what happened in Bengazi. In every way. What happened, what the administration did and why, everything. The right wing media echo chamber has created this absolutely absurd scenario you've bought into.

    Let's say Obama is this ridiculous comic book villain you think he is, and that he'd watch Americans die just for ****s and giggles. Why would he? If nothing else, wouldn't a comic book villain rescue them just to avoid the bad publicity in election season?

    This Bad Action Movie Plot you think happened there? It didn't. The only people who think like you are the ones who believe everything Fox News writes at face value, without question, even when there's no source given.
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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    And that's just one of probably dozens totally useless departments that our bloated government has come up with.
    Hey they're letting our enemies get all the good climate change info on us.
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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    C.I.A. Closes Its Climate Change Office - NYTimes.com


    Question: Why the hell did the CIA have a climate change office to begin with? No wonder we are broke!
    Youre broke because you have a fascist Corpocracy in charge of everything in the USA

    Youre broke because when these fascist Corporate instruments and Banksters go broke, the state and tax payer bails them out - they are on a continual corporate welfare drip feed. Trillions of dollars funneled into these corporate scams and into the pockets of these bankster crooks

    And you are worried about a CIA office in one city that is probably costing a few million dollars per year to run?

    Have a good look around as to who is bending you over each day and de-rimming your essence

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    FYI, the office was not engaged in any kind of scientific work associated with the study of climate change. It focused on considering the possible implications of climate change. .[/i]
    so how do you assertain the possible implications of climate change if you dont understand the science and apply a scientific approach to the problem?

    Was agent 86 and Larraby looking at predictive climate modelling results?

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You may still be reading more of your bias or Fox's bias into this issue. We'll see when all the information is in.


    Might well be, but the guys who should have provided security to civilian employees in a war zone dropped the ball.

    The guys who wanted to respond were ordered to not respond. Didn't even send a drone which is the Prez's weapon of choice.

    After 7 hours of not responding, apparently this effort affected their judgement, they decided that a multi phased military assault including the use of light weapons, RPG's and coordinated mortar fire was the next logical step for a group of cinema critics to employ.

    Next, and continuing through the following months, the administration outright lied about the whole affair and the stenographers in the press simply wrote down everything they said.

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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Question: Why the hell did the CIA have a climate change office to begin with? No wonder we are broke!
    Probably for the same reason the Air Force has meteorologists.
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    Re: CIA closes its climate change offices

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You're completely wrong on what happened in Bengazi. In every way. What happened, what the administration did and why, everything. The right wing media echo chamber has created this absolutely absurd scenario you've bought into.

    Let's say Obama is this ridiculous comic book villain you think he is, and that he'd watch Americans die just for ****s and giggles. Why would he? If nothing else, wouldn't a comic book villain rescue them just to avoid the bad publicity in election season?

    This Bad Action Movie Plot you think happened there? It didn't. The only people who think like you are the ones who believe everything Fox News writes at face value, without question, even when there's no source given.


    Just to be clear, what do you disagree with?

    Was this not a war zone?

    Were the buildings provided with the troops and weaponry needed to ward off attacks?

    Was it not 9/11?

    Had there not been previous events that caused the diplomatic staff to request added security?

    Did the attack not last for 7 hours?

    Did the local CIA folks not ask for permission to intercede after the attack started?

    Were not war ships and air resources in the Mediterranean that could have responded?

    Did the victims not immediately request aid?

    Were they not killed by folks who had light weapons that could be carried including fire arms and RPG's?

    Did the diplomatic facilities not take mortar fire?

    Has the cover story from the administration not changed over the weeks and months that followed?

    Has the ability of the administration to explain why every player among the survivors said one thing, then another then another?

    This is a huge foul up and it was the result of bad planning, bad understanding, bad reaction and a cover up good enough to be defended by those willing to be fooled.

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