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    Re: Voting For Obama Keeps Families Away From Each Other For Thanksgiving

    All I have to say about the focus of this thread is sometimes people can be foolish. I don't always agree with some members of my family on political issues, but I'd never let politics splitter my household or keep me away from distant family members over the holidays. There's simply more important things in this world than politics.

    To put it simply: If your family can't find other things to talk about over the dinner table - Thanksgiving, Christmas or whatever holidy OR any given day for that matter - then they've got much deeper problems to work out within their family dynamic than their political idealogy or political lean.

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    Re: Voting For Obama Keeps Families Away From Each Other For Thanksgiving

    I have much better reasons for not wanting my family over than them voting for Obama. I don't even know who they voted for. But given their lifestyles and choices, probably Obama.
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    Re: Voting For Obama Keeps Families Away From Each Other For Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In some circles is it very bitter. Much worse than before the election and in real, personal ways.

    It also has affected people's sense of being charitable. A "let the government take care of it now" attitude that many have.

    There is an old fella put in a wheelchair permanently after an accident, his wife promptly leaving him. That forced him to sell his house, and rented one in the neighborhood. Other than a daily visiting nurse, all alone day and night. No one really noticed. One day one of the very elderly neighbors saw him on his dock, struggling between trying to hold onto his boat and the dock - him stuck in the middle trying not to fall in. If he had, he'd have drown. That old person got him back on the dock as the boat tried to drift away from the dock, learned his situation, and spread the word. Clearly he was completely isolated and desperately lonely.

    So in a sense, without saying to him, people organized to find time to visit, take him boating, shooting, shopping and just hang around watching Tv with him etc. No one had to do that, just did. The neighbors just doing their part at their own time and expense, not really getting anything in return.

    After the election one night with a few people over, he commented about Obama winning and "now you people are going to have to pay more for your fair share." When asked what THAT meant (everyone going over has supported Romney), he explained how they have so much and he so little, so they should have to pay more. He was really gloating about, laughing in "us" and "them" terms, in which the people visiting and running him around were "them." How people like them should have to pay more taxes for people like him. They all got up and left. No one visits anymore. Let Obama and the government take care of him.

    He now sometimes rolls himself out by the street waving at people as they drive by. People wave back, but don't stop. I wonder if he even understands why? Probably decided they are evil Republicans not doing their duty to him.

    We still stop by, but not as often because its just us and him. When he started that up with us, my wife told him if he says another word about it she's leaving and will never come back. I was a bit more blunt: "Shut the f/ck up old man." That he understood. What he said was, "ok, ok, I can respect that."

    I'm seeing dozens of variations of how the election has driven hard wedges against people on real, personal levels, not just changes in many employer-employee relationships (including many now ex-employees.)
    That is a long post to make a point, but your point is well made. The moral of the story is: "DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU"

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    Re: Voting For Obama Keeps Families Away From Each Other For Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    every election since the 1990s has gotten worse and worse. the result of hyperpartisanship speaks for itself.
    I was born in 1949 and came of age during the Sixties. Back then the Vietnam war was raging and the split in society was far worse and far more vitriolic than anything I see today in politics. I can see that younger people who were not around then would not realize that through no fault of their own. But it was far worst in the mid to late Sixties on through Watergate. I vividly remember lots of family gatherings which were disrupted by strong arguments.
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    Re: Voting For Obama Keeps Families Away From Each Other For Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    And it's no wonder conservatives are called out as racists.
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    you read all his posts you might conclude that his posts are designed to make conservatives look bad.

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    Re: Voting For Obama Keeps Families Away From Each Other For Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think this particular election drew battles lines between the 47% and the rest of us. And that was no accident.
    You may be right, but you shouldn't be. About half of the 47% are Republican, they just don't realize that they are part of the 47% so they pretend that when talking about the 47%, the talk is about someone else.
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    Re: Voting For Obama Keeps Families Away From Each Other For Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That's what people are supposed to do now. Pick one of two sides and hate the other. It's the Obama way and a majority of people just voted for this to be the new America.
    That's right, it was Obama after all who pledged to oppose everything in order to keep him from winning a second term. Oh wait, that was the republicans in the Congress who did this. My bad!

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    Re: Voting For Obama Keeps Families Away From Each Other For Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Yeah, Facebook has made for an interesting dynamic. I am very vocal on my Facebook about my political and religious opinions. As a result, family no longer bring those subjects up with me at get togethers. I enjoy debating, but most of them don't like talking about contentious subjects unless it is with people who agree with them.
    There is some truth to the saying that people should never discuss politics or religion. It can end badly.

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    Re: Voting For Obama Keeps Families Away From Each Other For Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I was born in 1949 and came of age during the Sixties. Back then the Vietnam war was raging and the split in society was far worse and far more vitriolic than anything I see today in politics. I can see that younger people who were not around then would not realize that through no fault of their own. But it was far worst in the mid to late Sixties on through Watergate. I vividly remember lots of family gatherings which were disrupted by strong arguments.
    granted. the first election I can remember well was 1980, though I was only 6, so I guess that range is my point of reference.

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    Re: Voting For Obama Keeps Families Away From Each Other For Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think this particular election drew battles lines between the 47% and the rest of us. And that was no accident.
    what 47%? I thought all that hullabaloo about romney's comments proved that he was talking about two seperate groups of people that he in his infinite ignorance conflated. The democratic base which actually is less than 47% of the electorate. And the takers who just want handouts from the government, and won't take responsibility for their own lives, which is far far less than 47% (less than 5%) and includes republicans and dems and independents?
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

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