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Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

It's a stupid picture, by a stupid person.

Whoop dee ****ing doo

She has the right to do what she did and I'm not even upset by it one little bit.

Her employer also has the right to fire her for what she did, I don't support that firing, I don't think she should be fired for what she did but in the end when an employer wants to create a certain image, when it doesn't want it's customers associating the actions of one of its employees to it's business practice, they have the right to fire employees who stray from said image... and now especially since it's all over the news, it almost gives the employer more reason to dismiss her.
 
This to me is no different than employers firing people over political beliefs. It seems like a blatant violation of a person's rights. Right up there with employers threatening firings if Obama is reelected. The question really is: Did she do this while on work hours or did she do this after? If it's after, the employer firing her just seems to be bowing down to the 'MURICA crowd. If it's during work hours, then the employer has every right to fire her as she clearly made her actions a liability to the company's image.
 
Hatuey said:
This to me is no different than employers firing people over political beliefs. It seems like a blatant violation of a person's rights. Right up there with employers threatening firings if Obama is reelected. The question really is: Did she do this while on work hours or did she do this after? If it's after, the employer firing her just seems to be bowing down to the 'MURICA crowd. If it's during work hours, then the employer has every right to fire her as she clearly made her actions a liability to the company's image.
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Perhaps her employers were within their rights to fire the ignoramus, or do rights only work one way?
 
JohnWOlin said:
Who seriously cares? It's silly humor is all.
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Then I guess someone who works for a company that represents minorities and democrats should be allowed to on company time post this picture on his facebook account for the world to see.After all its just silly humor,so who cares.

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Bodhisattva said:
So you think that even though she did not do anything illegal her career should be ruined? Wow. :roll:
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I think that her employer has a right to do so, if it was clearly delineated in their employee guidelines, yes, absolutely.
 
Uzidoesit said:
She shouldn't even be given the honor of caring a rats ass what happens to her.
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I think she'll be grateful when her "15 minutes" are over. Meanwhile, she has resigned her position, and I'd like to think that she's a "sadder but wiser girl."
 
Grant said:
Perhaps her employers were within their rights to fire the ignoramus, or do rights only work one way?
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What does bowing down to the 'MURICA slurpers have to do with being within your rights? Being within your rights can still make a person look like an idiot. For example, people like Romney have the right to claim they're "Social Conservatives", however when every single thing they've said in 2-10 years shows the opposite, they just look like idiots.
 
Jetboogieman said:
It's a stupid picture, by a stupid person.

Whoop dee ****ing doo

She has the right to do what she did and I'm not even upset by it one little bit.

Her employer also has the right to fire her for what she did, I don't support that firing, I don't think she should be fired for what she did but in the end when an employer wants to create a certain image, when it doesn't want it's customers associating the actions of one of its employees to it's business practice, they have the right to fire employees who stray from said image... and now especially since it's all over the news, it almost gives the employer more reason to dismiss her.
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I agree with this pretty much to the letter. I don't think she should have been fired and see it as no big deal, but I also respect her employer's rights to hire and fire.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Don't even try to pull that crap, you don't speak for all of us. I'm a combat veteran and I actually have lost friends. This woman may be a total b*tch, but that's her freedom.

Our soldiers didn't die for this country so that we can punish people for making tasteless photographs.
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I apologize, I didn't realize we had an election and you were elected as our spokesman. I shall remain with my earned opinion.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Don't even try to pull that crap, you don't speak for all of us. I'm a combat veteran and I actually have lost friends. This woman may be a total b*tch, but that's her freedom. Our soldiers didn't die for this country so that we can punish people for making tasteless photographs.
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What did you say your MOS was?
 
Crosscheck said:
I apologize, I didn't realize we had an election and you were elected as our spokesman. I shall remain with my earned opinion.
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Says the guy who tried to say:
Crosscheck said:
That's the difference between you and those who have worn the uniform and lost friends to protect your ass.
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^^ So I call you out on trying to speak for all veterans, saying that you DON'T speak for all of us, and your best reponse is that I don't speak for all veterans? You obviously lack the mental capacity to continue a conversation about the constitution and our veterans.

Ray410 said:
What did you say your MOS was?
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Airborne infantry, deployed with the 173rd to afghanistan from 07-08. I don't know why that my experiences matter, it doesn't take a veteran to recognize the things that veterans fought for, or what our country represents. You want to let your emotions control our society. It makes you angry, and you therefore want her punished for it. When in reality her only crime was being a b*tch, and the last time I checked, exercising your first amendment rights and posting tasteless photos on facebook isn't illegal.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Don't even try to pull that crap, you don't speak for all of us. I'm a combat veteran and I actually have lost friends. This woman may be a total b*tch, but that's her freedom.

Our soldiers didn't die for this country so that we can punish people for making tasteless photographs.
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Amen. :peace
 
radcen said:
Hmmm... I like it.

Wouldn't surprise me if the Marine had the same thought at the time. Of course, the Marines are respectful of their location and position, and know better about "time and place".



No social boundaries? At all? Ever? Anything goes?
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I have been to Arlington more times than I can count. I am certain that photo was not taken within sight of the Guard. The cemetery is (unfortunately) huge. They are very professional but they don't f*ck around. I have seen scenes like this YouTube video unfold before in person. I can't imagine what it feels like to be dressed down by an armed Guard at the Tomb. But it probably sticks with you. They ain't just there for window dressing.

 
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Sarcogito said:
I have been to Arlington more times than I can count. I am certain that photo was not taken within sight of the Guard. The cemetery is (unfortunately) huge. They are very professional but they don't f*ck around. I have seen scenes like this YouTube video unfold before in person. I can't imagine what it feels like to be dressed down by an armed Guard at the Tomb. But it probably sticks with you. They ain't just there for window dressing.

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That Tomb Guard is a Soldier, unless the Guard has their own specific uniform. It looks like he's wearing ASU's, but I could be wrong. I doubt the picture was taken within sight of the Sentinel, because I assume she would be in a heap of trouble if she did. I can't say for sure, though. I've never heard of such blatant disrespect at such a sacred place.
 
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"The Guard wears the Army Dress Blue Uniform, reminiscent of the color and style worn by soldiers during the late 1800’s. Tomb Guards are privileged to wear the Tomb Identification Badge on the right breast pocket. The design is an inverted open laurel wreath surrounding a representation of the front elevation of the Tomb. The words "Honor Guard" are engraved at the base of the badge. A guard leaving after at least nine months of service is entitled to wear the badge as a permanent part of the uniform."

The Old Guard - Tomb of the Unknown Soldier

About the badge:

A special Army decoration, the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier Guard Identification Badge is authorized for wear after passing a detailed test of 100 questions (from a pool of more than 300), a uniform test with two gigs (errors) or fewer (measured to the 1/64"), and a test on the guard changing sequence. After serving honorably for a period of nine months, and having passed the sequence of tests, a Tomb Guard is permanently awarded the Badge. Since the first award on February 7, 1958, fewer than 600 soldiers have completed training and been awarded this Badge, including three women. A small number of Tomb Guard Identification Badges have also been retroactively awarded to soldiers who served as Guards before 1959. Those numbers make the Badge the second rarest award currently issued in the United States Army; only the Army Astronaut Badge is rarer.

Tomb of the Unknowns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Sarcogito said:
I have been to Arlington more times than I can count. I am certain that photo was not taken within sight of the Guard. The cemetery is (unfortunately) huge. They are very professional but they don't f*ck around. I have seen scenes like this YouTube video unfold before in person. I can't imagine what it feels like to be dressed down by an armed Guard at the Tomb. But it probably sticks with you. They ain't just there for window dressing.

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From the FAQs of the Society of the Honor Guard:

Has anyone ever tried to get past the Tomb guards, or attempted to deface the Tomb?

Yes, that is the reason why we now guard the Tomb. Back in the early 1920's, we didn't have guards and the Tomb looked much different (see attached picture). People often came to the cemetery in those days for picnics during which time some would actually use the Tomb as a picnic area (probably because of the view). Soon after, 1925, they posted a civilian guard; in 1926, a military guard was posted during cemetery hours; and on July 1, 1937, this was expanded to the 24-hour watch. Since then, the ceremony has developed throughout the years to what we have today. Today, most of the challenges faced by the Sentinels are tourists who want to get a better picture or uncontrolled children (which generally is very frightening for the parent when the Soldier challenges the child).

https://tombguard.org/society/faq/

Thank you for posting this video. I had just looked up "port arms." For others who may not know much:

The Tomb Guard marches 21 steps down the black mat behind the Tomb, turns, faces east for 21 seconds, turns and faces north for 21 seconds, then takes 21 steps down the mat and repeats the process. After the turn, the sentinel executes a sharp "shoulder-arms" movement to place the weapon on the shoulder closest to the visitors to signify that the sentinel stands between the Tomb and any possible threat. Twenty-one was chosen because it symbolizes the highest military honor that can be bestowed -- the 21-gun salute.

Arlington National Cemetery | The Changing of the Guard
 
Surtr said:
That Tomb Guard is a Soldier, unless the Guard has their own specific uniform. It looks like he's wearing ASU's, but I could be wrong. I doubt the picture was taken within sight of the Sentinel, because I assume she would be in a heap of trouble if she did. I can't say for sure, though. I've never heard of such blatant disrespect at such a sacred place.
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Oh, I know. I meant Guard as in a member of the Old Guard. I have a set of ASUs myself hanging in my closet. Though, admittedly, I don't look quite as sharp in mine as these young men do. :)
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Airborne infantry, deployed with the 173rd to afghanistan from 07-08. I don't know why that my experiences matter, it doesn't take a veteran to recognize the things that veterans fought for, or what our country represents.
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You tell me why your experiences matter, you're the one that posted at least three times on this thread that you were a veteran prior to offering comment on the subject at hand.

You just don't sound like a disciplined, respectful, proud American warrior to me, given your lack of concern over an intentional desecration of those who fought and died for the United States.

Also, "Airborne Infantry" isn't an MOS, which is what you were asked.
 
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radcen said:
Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

Facebook Firestorm: Should She Lose Her Job Over Arlington Photo? | NBC4 Washington
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I don't think she should be fired.

She's probably a progressive who would petition to have me fired if I spoke ill of democrats but as a libertarian freedom of speech and expression applies to all. I certainly don't agree with her "expression" however our First Amendment is quite clear, however her employer can do what they like.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I don't think she should be fired.

She's probably a progressive who would petition to have me fired if I spoke ill of democrats but as a libertarian freedom of speech and expression applies to all. I certainly don't agree with her "expression" however our First Amendment is quite clear, however her employer can do what they like.
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Yes, your libertarian roots mean you are better than her because it precludes you from prejudging people at all...
 
Ray410 said:
You tell me why your experiences matter, you're the one that posted at least three times on this thread that you were a veteran prior to offering comment on the subject at hand.

You just don't sound like a disciplined, respectful, proud American warrior to me, given your lack of concern over an intentional desecration of those who fought and died for the United States.

Also, "Airborne Infantry" isn't an MOS, which is what you were asked.
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Actually I never mentioned it until you and the other decided to try to speak for all veterans as if you knew us.

At which point I informed you that you in fact did not speak for all of us. You then ask for my MOS as if that matters as to what I actually said.

Making a dumass picture with your hands over your mouth next to a sign is not "desecration", you're just being melodramatic.

And yes, infantry is an MOS, and airborne is a special identifier.

Educate yourself next time before you speak, and don't try to speak for the entirety of a group, especially one you know absolutely nothing about.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
She has a lame sense of humor. Why do people think this is a crime?

We've got real problems in this country and we want to worry about sh*t like this?
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She is exactly what's wrong with this nation. There is no shame in anything, **** authority is the mantra. The Woodstock children are now raising children and in positions of authority themselves. What did you expect?

Oh and I'd bet my years paycheck that she's an OBama voter.


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