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Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

MaggieD said:
Sans contract, every employee in the United States is employed "at will." Unless one is discriminating re The Civil Rights Act at the Federal or State level, an employer is free to set any standards they choose.
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So its not a coercion free exchange.

Your employer can dictate your behavior during time in which they aren't paying you.

Which makes you a "subject" of your employer.

I know the standard is "if you don't like your boss quit".

But most folks can't just quit. They accept more and more invasion of their unpaid hours to avoid insolvency. Fear expressing themselves because their boss might find out. Conform to the most stringent standards of behavior or risk repercussions years or decades later.
 
I don't see anything regarding serving vets on the companies website. It says they serve people with learning and intellectual disabilities.
 
What if...? said:
So its not a coercion free exchange.

Your employer can dictate your behavior during time in which they aren't paying you.

Which makes you a "subject" of your employer.

I know the standard is "if you don't like your boss quit".

But most folks can't just quit. They accept more and more invasion of their unpaid hours to avoid insolvency. Fear expressing themselves because their boss might find out. Conform to the most stringent standards of behavior or risk repercussions years or decades later.
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If you work at an abortion clinic and decide you want to visibly make fun of the clients it serves, or the signage on their buildings! posting pictures on your Facebook site, you deserve to be fired. Nobody has a damned lick of common sense today...screaming about rights. Good God.
 
digsbe said:
And why is it a big deal? No one should be forced to show respect towards anyone, she has freedom of speech as well and I think the overzealous patriotism of others shouldn't cause her to lose her job.
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She wasn't 'forced to show respect'. She went out of her way to show disrespect, and then published it for all to see. You want to play games like that, prepare yourself for the consequences.
 
MaggieD said:
Why don't people realize that it's not "the act" itself but the extremely poor judgment of posting it on the internet? She's an idiot. She was on company time. She disrespected the sign and what it stood for. In and of itself? "Hahahahaha!!! Look at this picture pretending to piss on the Statute of Liberty!!!!" It's just a funny picture. Put it on the internet and it becomes who you are.

She learned a valuable lesson.
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I can agree with this, people should use more discretion when deciding what pictures of themselves they post online.

Wiggen said:
She wasn't 'forced to show respect'. She went out of her way to show disrespect, and then published it for all to see. You want to play games like that, prepare yourself for the consequences.
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And personally I don't care that she showed disrespect, others may care but I don't. What she did was stupid on her part but I don't think she should lose her job or be vilified over it :shrug:
 
MaggieD said:
Why don't people realize that it's not "the act" itself but the extremely poor judgment of posting it on the internet? She's an idiot. She was on company time. She disrespected the sign and what it stood for. In and of itself? "Hahahahaha!!! Look at this picture pretending to piss on the Statute of Liberty!!!!" It's just a funny picture. Put it on the internet and it becomes who you are.

She learned a valuable lesson.
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What if someone else puts it up on the internet?
 
nota bene said:
Stone has resigned. LIFE, Inc. (Living Independently Forever) has issued this statement:

We wish to announce that the two employees recently involved in the Arlington Cemetery incident are no longer employees of LIFE. Again, we deeply regret any disrespect to members of the military and their families. The incident and publicity has been very upsetting to the learning disabled population we serve. To protect our residents, any comments, however well-intentioned, will be deleted. We appreciate your concern and understanding as we focus on the care of our community,” the statement reads.

Shamed Facebook poster loses her job - BostonHerald.com
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I would have done the same (stepped down) although I wouldn't have stood in front of the tomb of the unknowns and mocked a sign calling for silence and respect in the first place. I think they redeemed themselves by stepping down from their positions (which they didn't have to do) so I have to give them credit for that. From what I've read it looks like they just didn't think about what they were doing before they did it so on the one hand I'm not all that concerned about it but on the other hand there are some things in every society that you just don't do, this is one of them.
 
nota bene said:
Stone has resigned. LIFE, Inc. (Living Independently Forever) has issued this statement: We wish to announce that the two employees recently involved in the Arlington Cemetery incident are no longer employees of LIFE. Again, we deeply regret any disrespect to members of the military and their families. The incident and publicity has been very upsetting to the learning disabled population we serve. To protect our residents, any comments, however well-intentioned, will be deleted. We appreciate your concern and understanding as we focus on the care of our community,” the statement reads. Shamed Facebook poster loses her job - BostonHerald.com
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A truly happy ending that we can all appreciate.

Odd that so many posters on here do not seem to have the slightest understanding of the solemnity of The Tomb of the Unknowns and what it represents to all good Americans. Always important to keep in mind that we really do not know who is behind the innocent names and avatars of the posters on here.

Moral of story: Behave like an ahole, you get treated like an ahole.
 
Spare us the "holier than thou" nonsense, she made a poor taste joke by a stupid sign. That's all folks!
 
digsbe said:
And personally I don't care that she showed disrespect, others may care but I don't.
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That's the difference between you and those who have worn the uniform and lost friends to protect your ass.
 
Wiggen said:
Jesus! What 'right' would the company be violating if they fired her? And anybody who isn't offended by this needs to get a some ****ing perspective.
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Her right to freedom of speech. Pretty simple. People do much more disrespectful things during protests and are not fired over it. People call soldiers "baby killers" and "murderers" and there is not this type of outrage. People burn the flag disrespecting America, its citizens and those that died to protect our freedoms and it qualifies as freedom of speech.

Why in the hell would I be offended by what she did? She should be ashamed but for me to take some offence to it is literally retarded. She isn't spitting on you or hurting you in any way, shape or form. She is not attacking your rights. She is not physically threatening you. She is not threatening you in any manner, as a matter of fact. She was trying to be funny and failed. Big deal. Who should care? Well, apparently you and others do for some strange reason. If it bothers you perhaps you should seek some therapy as it sounds as if you (as well as the masses upset) are the ones that need some "perspective". :roll:

That's exactly the statement she appears to be making. It's not a crime, but it is jerk behavior of the worst kind, and if she was doing it on my dime, her ass would be fired.
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And I would hope that you lost your job or were sued as a result.

Except that wasn't all she did, and you know it.
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Yeah... she flipped the bird at some graves. Oh, the ****ing horror!!

Asking that respect be shown at a national cemetary.
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She failed. Stop whining about it. We have real issues to face in this country. Talk about not having "perspective"...
 
Due to nearly constant, even sometimes pernicious situations arising from it, I believe a revision on the entirety of the constitution is well overdue.
 
Wiggen said:
Jesus! What 'right' would the company be violating if they fired her? And anybody who isn't offended by this needs to get a some ****ing perspective.
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Crosscheck said:
That's the difference between you and those who have worn the uniform and lost friends to protect your ass.
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Don't even try to pull that crap, you don't speak for all of us. I'm a combat veteran and I actually have lost friends. This woman may be a total b*tch, but that's her freedom.

Our soldiers didn't die for this country so that we can punish people for making tasteless photographs.
 
Wiggen said:
Yeah, flipping off a sign asking for respect for those who gave their lives for their country is just goofy humor.
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It is dark humor. Like Pulp Fiction when they make Uma Thurman ODing funny or killing the kid "Flock of Seagulls". Did anybody suggest that Terentino be fired?

She wasn't 'forced to show respect'. She went out of her way to show disrespect, and then published it for all to see. You want to play games like that, prepare yourself for the consequences.
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By people getting upset about this like you are you are in fact saying that everybody should show respect or prepare for the conseuences. It is quite sad to put your morals onto others like that.
 
digsbe said:
And why is it a big deal? No one should be forced to show respect towards anyone, she has freedom of speech as well and I think the overzealous patriotism of others shouldn't cause her to lose her job.
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Nobody is forcing her to do anything. She had the freedom to do what she wanted, and she did. She is free to go back and do it again.
 
Crosscheck said:
That's the difference between you and those who have worn the uniform and lost friends to protect your ass.
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Oh please... like every military vet is a class act. Get over yourself.
 
This is something I used to do for a living (Social Media, not disrespect of veterans). A lot of this depends on whether or not the agency had a Social Media/morality clause in their HR - but, regardless, a stupid picture to take - and an even stupider thing to upload to Facebook. Based on my limited knowledge - she got what she deserved. Though very sad that one mistake can ruin a career.
 
radcen said:
Nobody is forcing her to do anything. She had the freedom to do what she wanted, and she did. She is free to go back and do it again.
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As much as I hate to respond with such an overused quote - Freedom isn't free. You have to pay for your actions.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Don't even try to pull that crap, you don't speak for all of us. I'm a combat veteran and I actually have lost friends. This woman may be a total b*tch, but that's her freedom.

Our soldiers didn't die for this country so that we can punish people for making tasteless photographs.
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No, they died for her freedom to behave like a jerk.
 
Ray410 said:
A truly happy ending that we can all appreciate.

Odd that so many posters on here do not seem to have the slightest understanding of the solemnity of The Tomb of the Unknowns and what it represents to all good Americans. Always important to keep in mind that we really do not know who is behind the innocent names and avatars of the posters on here.

Moral of story: Behave like an ahole, you get treated like an ahole.
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Odd that you think that protecting her stupidity and freedom of speech equates to me not understanding the "solemnity" of the Tomb. I think that it is sad that you are actually happy and appreciate her losing her job over something like this. Yeah, we don't know who you are... we can only read what you type and I have to say that it doesn't impress me at all so far.
 
PoliticalAnswer said:
This is something I used to do for a living (Social Media, not disrespect of veterans). A lot of this depends on whether or not the agency had a Social Media/morality clause in their HR - but, regardless, a stupid picture to take - and an even stupider thing to upload to Facebook. Based on my limited knowledge - she got what she deserved. Though very sad that one mistake can ruin a career.
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So you think that even though she did not do anything illegal her career should be ruined? Wow. :roll:
 
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