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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    IIRC, the company was investigating, but she eventually resigned of her own choice. Supposedly.

    I don't believe she intended to be disrespectful, but she was. Key word: "intend". I have done things that I didn't intend to offend others, but it was and I didn't realize it until later.
    Oh no, I agree that she was disrespectful to people, whether she intended to be or not. And I have no issue with her being disciplined due to any of her actions, but taken altogether, I would not fault the company in the least for letting her go because she showed extremely poor judgement with this whole incident.

    I'm in the Navy reserves. There are some things that I cannot do, most particularly when I am on duty, whether it be my weekends or my month or if I did called back up. At those times, in uniform or not, I represent the Navy because they are paying me. Even in my offtime, they pay for my ticket, my hotel, even a rental car/transportation, and food. I imagine the company this woman worked for paid for at least some of these things for her as well since she was on a business trip. If I do something stupid that makes the military look bad, particularly if I broadcast that stupidity, I will be punished for it. And with the Navy reserves looking to put people out, it is likely that I would be discharged for doing something like this woman did if they could show I did it while on their dime.
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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dem View Post
    Has anyone spoke on this issue? I am curious if the picture also constitutes a violation vs how the rules are worded.
    I have not heard anything from the authorities but the Dept of Army is not likely to give a press release on this issue.

    But it was a violation according to their regulations:
    CHAPTER V: DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY

    SUBCHAPTER D: MILITARY RESERVATIONS AND NATIONAL CEMETERIES

    PART 553: ARMY NATIONAL CEMETERIES

    553.22 - Visitors' rules for the Arlington National Cemetery.
    (13)
    f) Conduct within the Cemetery. Because Arlington National Cemetery is a shrine to the honored dead of the Armed Forces of the United States and because certain acts, appropriate elsewhere, are not appropriate in the Cemetery, all visitors, including persons attending or taking part in memorial services and ceremonies, shall observe proper standards of decorum and decency while within the Cemetery grounds. Specifically, no person shall:

    iv) Utters to any person present abusive, insulting, profane, indecent or otherwise provocative language or gesture that by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
    She should have gotten her butt kicked out.

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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    what? When did private employers become responsible for facilitating free speech?
    Yeah. That was my bad. I had thought that the employer was governmental in some way.

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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Technology doesn't change cause and effect.
    If she'd taken that photo 20 years ago, where would she have put it? Her GeoCities account? My point is that technology has made our individual silliness more accessible to all. The appropriate response isn't to villify it wherever we find it, it's to try to be a little more understanding in light of the fact that all of this connectedness that social media promotes means we're going to see things we wouldn't have seen before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    And nobody is taking that away from her, except herself. She was with her company on a company trip, and not only made an ass of herself, but her employer as well. I don't know any employer who wouldn't fire someone who is that recklessly stupid and irresponsible.
    As I said earlier:

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Unless she was wearing something indicating where she works (she wasn't) or unless you're arguing that the employer in question is paying her for 24 hours of each day that she was on this trip (because they never, ever do), it doesn't change a thing.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    It's a still. She probably never made any sound at all. Everyone buried there would be laughing at that picture if they could.
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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    If she'd taken that photo 20 years ago, where would she have put it? Her GeoCities account? My point is that technology has made our individual silliness more accessible to all. The appropriate response isn't to villify it wherever we find it, it's to try to be a little more understanding in light of the fact that all of this connectedness that social media promotes means we're going to see things we wouldn't have seen before.



    As I said earlier:
    All irrelevant. She made an ass of herself, it was made public, and to save face her employer fired her. She made her choices, and she paid for them. Actions have consequences.
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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Behaving like a childish idiot isn't a crime, and any employer who fires her is looking at a pretty nasty first-amendment based wrongful termination suit.
    Oh really? I never heard of that, tell me about that law.
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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Do you think it is appropriate, given the current state of the economy, for one moment of off-the-job, entirely-legal stupidity to cost you your job?
    but thats the problem with tooday everything you do can be captured on put on the internet for everyone to see so you have to conduct yourself appropriate manner especially if a camera is around.
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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Do you think it is appropriate, given the current state of the economy, for one moment of off-the-job, entirely-legal stupidity to cost you your job?
    That's just it--Stone and Schuh weren't off the job. I'd have to know what was in their contracts to understand what their obligations as reps of the org were, but I'll bet there is some amorphous phrase in there somewhere that justifies their "resignations." (I've read both "resigned" and "fired.")

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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You didn't answer my question. You essentially said, "Because."
    That is extremely dishonest.
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