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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Don't even try to pull that crap, you don't speak for all of us. I'm a combat veteran and I actually have lost friends. This woman may be a total b*tch, but that's her freedom.

    Our soldiers didn't die for this country so that we can punish people for making tasteless photographs.
    I apologize, I didn't realize we had an election and you were elected as our spokesman. I shall remain with my earned opinion.

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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Don't even try to pull that crap, you don't speak for all of us. I'm a combat veteran and I actually have lost friends. This woman may be a total b*tch, but that's her freedom. Our soldiers didn't die for this country so that we can punish people for making tasteless photographs.
    What did you say your MOS was?

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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I apologize, I didn't realize we had an election and you were elected as our spokesman. I shall remain with my earned opinion.
    Says the guy who tried to say:
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    That's the difference between you and those who have worn the uniform and lost friends to protect your ass.
    ^^ So I call you out on trying to speak for all veterans, saying that you DON'T speak for all of us, and your best reponse is that I don't speak for all veterans? You obviously lack the mental capacity to continue a conversation about the constitution and our veterans.

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    What did you say your MOS was?
    Airborne infantry, deployed with the 173rd to afghanistan from 07-08. I don't know why that my experiences matter, it doesn't take a veteran to recognize the things that veterans fought for, or what our country represents. You want to let your emotions control our society. It makes you angry, and you therefore want her punished for it. When in reality her only crime was being a b*tch, and the last time I checked, exercising your first amendment rights and posting tasteless photos on facebook isn't illegal.
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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Don't even try to pull that crap, you don't speak for all of us. I'm a combat veteran and I actually have lost friends. This woman may be a total b*tch, but that's her freedom.

    Our soldiers didn't die for this country so that we can punish people for making tasteless photographs.
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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

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    Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Facebook Firestorm: Should She Lose Her Job Over Arlington Photo? | NBC4 Washington
    If she worked for me I'd fire her ass in a heartbeat. I don't need my customers associating us with that ****. No employer does.
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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Hmmm... I like it.

    Wouldn't surprise me if the Marine had the same thought at the time. Of course, the Marines are respectful of their location and position, and know better about "time and place".



    No social boundaries? At all? Ever? Anything goes?
    I have been to Arlington more times than I can count. I am certain that photo was not taken within sight of the Guard. The cemetery is (unfortunately) huge. They are very professional but they don't f*ck around. I have seen scenes like this YouTube video unfold before in person. I can't imagine what it feels like to be dressed down by an armed Guard at the Tomb. But it probably sticks with you. They ain't just there for window dressing.

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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I have been to Arlington more times than I can count. I am certain that photo was not taken within sight of the Guard. The cemetery is (unfortunately) huge. They are very professional but they don't f*ck around. I have seen scenes like this YouTube video unfold before in person. I can't imagine what it feels like to be dressed down by an armed Guard at the Tomb. But it probably sticks with you. They ain't just there for window dressing.

    That Tomb Guard is a Soldier, unless the Guard has their own specific uniform. It looks like he's wearing ASU's, but I could be wrong. I doubt the picture was taken within sight of the Sentinel, because I assume she would be in a heap of trouble if she did. I can't say for sure, though. I've never heard of such blatant disrespect at such a sacred place.
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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    "The Guard wears the Army Dress Blue Uniform, reminiscent of the color and style worn by soldiers during the late 1800’s. Tomb Guards are privileged to wear the Tomb Identification Badge on the right breast pocket. The design is an inverted open laurel wreath surrounding a representation of the front elevation of the Tomb. The words "Honor Guard" are engraved at the base of the badge. A guard leaving after at least nine months of service is entitled to wear the badge as a permanent part of the uniform."

    The Old Guard - Tomb of the Unknown Soldier

    About the badge:

    A special Army decoration, the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier Guard Identification Badge is authorized for wear after passing a detailed test of 100 questions (from a pool of more than 300), a uniform test with two gigs (errors) or fewer (measured to the 1/64"), and a test on the guard changing sequence. After serving honorably for a period of nine months, and having passed the sequence of tests, a Tomb Guard is permanently awarded the Badge. Since the first award on February 7, 1958, fewer than 600 soldiers have completed training and been awarded this Badge, including three women. A small number of Tomb Guard Identification Badges have also been retroactively awarded to soldiers who served as Guards before 1959. Those numbers make the Badge the second rarest award currently issued in the United States Army; only the Army Astronaut Badge is rarer.

    Tomb of the Unknowns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I have been to Arlington more times than I can count. I am certain that photo was not taken within sight of the Guard. The cemetery is (unfortunately) huge. They are very professional but they don't f*ck around. I have seen scenes like this YouTube video unfold before in person. I can't imagine what it feels like to be dressed down by an armed Guard at the Tomb. But it probably sticks with you. They ain't just there for window dressing.

    From the FAQs of the Society of the Honor Guard:

    Has anyone ever tried to get past the Tomb guards, or attempted to deface the Tomb?

    Yes, that is the reason why we now guard the Tomb. Back in the early 1920's, we didn't have guards and the Tomb looked much different (see attached picture). People often came to the cemetery in those days for picnics during which time some would actually use the Tomb as a picnic area (probably because of the view). Soon after, 1925, they posted a civilian guard; in 1926, a military guard was posted during cemetery hours; and on July 1, 1937, this was expanded to the 24-hour watch. Since then, the ceremony has developed throughout the years to what we have today. Today, most of the challenges faced by the Sentinels are tourists who want to get a better picture or uncontrolled children (which generally is very frightening for the parent when the Soldier challenges the child).

    https://tombguard.org/society/faq/

    Thank you for posting this video. I had just looked up "port arms." For others who may not know much:

    The Tomb Guard marches 21 steps down the black mat behind the Tomb, turns, faces east for 21 seconds, turns and faces north for 21 seconds, then takes 21 steps down the mat and repeats the process. After the turn, the sentinel executes a sharp "shoulder-arms" movement to place the weapon on the shoulder closest to the visitors to signify that the sentinel stands between the Tomb and any possible threat. Twenty-one was chosen because it symbolizes the highest military honor that can be bestowed -- the 21-gun salute.

    Arlington National Cemetery | The Changing of the Guard

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    Re: Arlington Cemetery pic sparks outrage, calls for woman's firing

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    That Tomb Guard is a Soldier, unless the Guard has their own specific uniform. It looks like he's wearing ASU's, but I could be wrong. I doubt the picture was taken within sight of the Sentinel, because I assume she would be in a heap of trouble if she did. I can't say for sure, though. I've never heard of such blatant disrespect at such a sacred place.
    Oh, I know. I meant Guard as in a member of the Old Guard. I have a set of ASUs myself hanging in my closet. Though, admittedly, I don't look quite as sharp in mine as these young men do.

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