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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Not much harm in smoking a cigarette a few times a week. Maybe just when you have that glass of wine.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, you still have not shown proof of health issues from having a glass of wine every 3-4 days. That isn't an increased risk.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Here we go....We had to pass it to find out what is in it....Unfortunately it doesn't look good.
    reform law requires, insurers will no longer be able to dump patients who are starting to cost too much,
    That looks great tome.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Much like higher premiums spurred "quit smoking" programs, I think higher premioums for Obese people might be the way to go to really help the obesity problem.
    I just get somewhat bitter, when I hear that I have to pay more for my insurance (because I smoke), when a crap ton of my coworkers do the binge drinking, are seriously obese, but there are no consequences for their behavior.
    It's very one sided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Not much harm in smoking a cigarette a few times a week. Maybe just when you have that glass of wine.
    If it were every 3-4 days for a cigarette I'd agree with you that they are about the same.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    That looks great tome.
    It always looks great until you see the pricetag.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I just get somewhat bitter, when I hear that I have to pay more for my insurance (because I smoke), when a crap ton of my coworkers do the binge drinking, are seriously obese, but there are no consequences for their behavior.
    It's very one sided.

    I don't blame you for getting upset, I would to. I just have had family in my life that have died from cancer due to their smoking. I don't disagree with higher premiums for smokers (what I consider smoking), however, that doesn't negate the problems of obesity and other issues.

    I'm there with you with the obesity thing though, I think that causes more problems overall than smoking does. I've seen what obesity did to me and I almost had to take various medications because of high blood pressure. I lost the weight and have lived healthier and feel better.

    It is one-sided and many more health issues are ignored.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Much like higher premiums spurred "quit smoking" programs, I think higher premioums for Obese people might be the way to go to really help the obesity problem.
    I think so too. And weight loss programs should be covered just as smoking cessation programs are.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea, rescission touted as a huge problem, was nearly nonexistent.
    almost nonexistent as long as you aren't one of them, eh?
    from wiki:
    The practice of health insurance rescission was partially limited starting September 23, 2010,[8] following the adoption of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act in 2010. A House committee report[9] found that WellPoint Inc., UnitedHealth Group and Assurant rescinded policies for more than 20,000 people over a five-year period;[7] the House report also highlighted 13 particular cases.[9]
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    So, essentially they are redistributing costs to healthy people and those who don't make poor health choices and not decreasing them. Now I understand why my coverage lessened and my family's monthly premium went up by $100. This **** needs to be repealed.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Ok, now that is settled.
    Why should people who use any amount of alcohol be exempted, while tabacco users, of varying degrees, must pay the full price?

    Light drinking may relate to increase in risk for certain cancers
    Actually Harry, alcohol was already punished by most plans if a heavy drinker showed increased enzymes. One of the qualifier question on every life/health case I worked had consumption frequency as an underwriting question, as well as BMI, and relevant risk related questions. Those idiots who put Obamacare into play have eliminated much of that, those increased risks are now going to have to be weighted into every policy.
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