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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The hell if I know.
    It may have been the change in the lining of his throat.

    This story gives details.

    Why Persistent Acid Reflux Sometimes Turns Into Cancer: New Clues
    I understand that Acid Reflux "can" cause cancer, but not sure how a doctor pinpoints it to just acid reflux and not smoking.

    That's making the claim the smoking DIDN'T cause the cancer which we know smoking "can" cause cancer.

    It's not passing the smell test. I can see a doctor saying it could have been the smoking or it could have been the acid reflux, but I have yet to see a case where both are presented and a doctor says with certainty it's the acid reflux and not smoking. That's all.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Just like smokers and obese people, indulging in these things doesn't necessarily mean you'll develop problems, but because people do, and you use it, you need to pay for the added risk.

    Oh and alcohol is a group 1 carcinogen.

    Look! a NON response.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Look! a NON response.
    Keep reading....
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I understand that Acid Reflux "can" cause cancer, but not sure how a doctor pinpoints it to just acid reflux and not smoking.

    That's making the claim the smoking DIDN'T cause the cancer which we know smoking "can" cause cancer.

    It's not passing the smell test. I can see a doctor saying it could have been the smoking or it could have been the acid reflux, but I have yet to see a case where both are presented and a doctor says with certainty it's the acid reflux and not smoking. That's all.
    That's what she was told, by her family.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Keep reading....
    Does it have a peer review?

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I understand that Acid Reflux "can" cause cancer, but not sure how a doctor pinpoints it to just acid reflux and not smoking.

    That's making the claim the smoking DIDN'T cause the cancer which we know smoking "can" cause cancer.

    It's not passing the smell test. I can see a doctor saying it could have been the smoking or it could have been the acid reflux, but I have yet to see a case where both are presented and a doctor says with certainty it's the acid reflux and not smoking. That's all.
    Smoking is more likely to cause lung cancer than throat cancer, but it appears that a combination of heavy drinking with heavy smoking does cause throat cancer. I'm assuming that the chronic acid from GERD, on the esophogeal lining, has a similar effect to chronic alcohol intake in the throat, thus contributes to the cancer, rather than the smoke itself.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Does it have a peer review?
    There are more, later on.
    Do you really need a peer reviewed article, because this seems to be a diversion from the topic.
    I've brought supporting evidence, rather than debate the issue you're debating the material.

    It's not a Fox news, blog, alex jones, or any other non credible link.
    Neither are the other links I posted later on.

    Why should some carcinogenic substances be allowed, without an increase, while others are not?
    It's inconsistent at best.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm assuming that the chronic acid from GERD, on the esophogeal lining, has a similar effect to chronic alcohol intake in the throat, thus contributes to the cancer, rather than the smoke itself.
    So you think smoking does not cause any cancer but lung cancer? Not sure how you can say that when cigarettes contain carcinogin that makes contact with all those.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's what she was told, by her family.
    Fair enough, I just don't see how a pinpoint cause can be made for acid reflux and not smoking is all.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you think smoking does not cause any cancer but lung cancer? Not sure how you can say that when cigarettes contain carcinogin that makes contact with all those.
    That wasn't what I said, was it?
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