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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea, rescission touted as a huge problem, was nearly nonexistent.
    It was touted as a problem, and I know it was. I have two uncles in my family that were both self insured and were cut from their insurance, one after finding out he has a liver disease (never smoked and drank socially) and the other when he got through a bout of cancer. Four months after removing the tumor they cut him.

    I'm not saying that it happens to everybody, but if you want to make the claim that it was almost non-existent I think you're gonna need a source to back that up. Do you have the statistics on it?
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    It was touted as a problem, and I know it was. I have two uncles in my family that were both self insured and were cut from their insurance, one after finding out he has a liver disease (never smoked and drank socially) and the other when he got through a bout of cancer. Four months after removing the tumor they cut him.

    I'm not saying that it happens to everybody, but if you want to make the claim that it was almost non-existent I think you're gonna need a source to back that up. Do you have the statistics on it?
    I was looking for it, but IIRC the numbers were between 10k and 5k people a year.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Well then you didn't read it correctly. You can still get just adequate plans with sizable deductibles and lower premiums and stuff like that. In no way does this law make health care plans one size fits all, and it didn't make health care companies stop charging more for some people, it just limits the amount. You have no idea what that amount is and you go off complaining about it without all the facts.
    First off, you need to realize that I don't believe the Federal Government actually has the right to implement the AACA under the US Constitution, regardless of what the Supreme Court may say. I also do not believe that Healthcare, whether government run or private is a Right. I believe it is properly a Privilege for those who can afford it and who choose to do so.

    Having said that, I have absolutely no faith that the AACA will not increase what these insurance companies (and the employers) are required to provide in their plans. What the Government considers "adequate" and what I do are likely to be two VERY different things. The moment that an insurance company is limited in their ability to surcharge any group of individuals, the general price of the plan has to go up to make up that difference. That's just basic accounting. I don't even what to consider what other little "nuggets" are waiting in the depths of those thousands of pages of legislation.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Further looking has shown that, yes obese people can be charged more.
    Thank goodness on that, if we're going to get on to people for negative health behavior, we shouldn't just target one group.

    Now, lets get to alcohol users.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Now, lets get to alcohol users.
    Alcohol users or abusers? There is a difference between the two regarding health issues.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Further looking has shown that, yes obese people can be charged more.
    Thank goodness on that, if we're going to get on to people for negative health behavior, we shouldn't just target one group.

    Now, lets get to alcohol users.
    Definitely. Smokers, drinkers, the obese, etc.... It's time these people start paying for their risky behaviors and take the burden off those of us who do try to keep ourselves relatively healthy; at least to the point that we can.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Alcohol users or abusers? There is a difference between the two regarding health issues.
    Users.
    Alcohol is not a requirement for life, all the positive effects of it are easily negated by the negative effects.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Users.
    Alcohol is not a requirement for life, all the positive effects of it are easily negated by the negative effects.
    You'll have to show me the negative health effects of having a glass of wine every 3-4 days. I'll be looking forward to you providing a peer reviewed study showing the negative health effects of that.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You'll have to show me the negative health effects of having a glass of wine every 3-4 days. I'll be looking forward to you providing a peer reviewed study showing the negative health effects of that.
    Just like smokers and obese people, indulging in these things doesn't necessarily mean you'll develop problems, but because people do, and you use it, you need to pay for the added risk.

    Oh and alcohol is a group 1 carcinogen.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Just like smokers and obese people, indulging in these things doesn't necessarily mean you'll develop problems, but because people do, and you use it, you need to pay for the added risk.

    Oh and alcohol is a group 1 carcinogen.
    Again, you still have not shown proof of health issues from having a glass of wine every 3-4 days. That isn't an increased risk.

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