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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You think this is all good while people are losing their insurance coverage.
    Table HIB-2. Health Insurance Coverage Status and Type of Coverage All Persons by Age and Sex: 1999 to 2011

    2011- 260,214
    2010- 256,603
    2009- 255,295

    2008- 256,702
    2007- 255,018
    2006- 251,610
    2005- 250,799
    2004- 249,414
    2003- 246,332
    2002- 246,157



    Health Insurance Historical Tables (HIB Series) - U.S Census Bureau

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Okay, but political bribery like the "Cornhusker kickback" and the "Louisiana purchase" are exactly the same thing as if I were to induce a big client into signing up for the products I offered except for two differences. 1) The political inducements were right out in the open and 2) I would have gone to prison.
    Well, who was Nelson harming? Several other states were granted deals as well which aided their citizenry at large. Nothing particularly illegal about it. Also, many politicians go to jail for bribery, when a concrete case can be formed. As stated before, bribery isn't the easiest charge to litigate.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Well, who was Nelson harming? Several other states were granted deals as well which aided their citizenry at large. Nothing particularly illegal about it. Also, many politicians go to jail for bribery, when a concrete case can be formed. As stated before, bribery isn't the easiest charge to litigate.
    I mentioned the other major payout, "The Louisiana Purchase" which involved Mary Landrieu. They did harm, they harmed the process of representation, this bill harms businesses and insured, it harms a sixth of the U.S. economy. You were saying?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I mentioned the other major payout, "The Louisiana Purchase" which involved Mary Landrieu.

    They did harm, they harmed the process of representation

    this bill harms businesses

    and insured

    it harms a sixth of the U.S. economy.
    And Bobby Jindal. Louisiana isn't terribly self sufficient and obviously relies on federal assistance heavily. The extended Medicaid programs obviously required additional federal funding in order to render the plan feasible.

    Huh? Have a feeling there's no concrete definition behind that phrase.

    Businesses will have to shoulder more of the burden in certain circumstances, but in your analogy you spoke of screwing over your competitors. No dice.

    More folks than ever are insured, and premiums saw their smallest gain in 15 years this year.

    Industry employment

    -- The health care and social assistance sector is projected to gain
    the most jobs (5.6 million)

    Occupational employment

    -- Of the 22 major occupational groups, employment in healthcare
    support occupations is expected to grow most rapidly (34.5 percent),
    followed by personal care and services occupations (26.8 percent), and
    healthcare practitioners and technical occupations (25.9 percent).


    Anywho, gotta run now.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    And Bobby Jindal. Louisiana isn't terribly self sufficient and obviously relies on federal assistance heavily. The extended Medicaid programs obviously required additional federal funding in order to render the plan feasible.

    Huh? Have a feeling there's no concrete definition behind that phrase.

    Businesses will have to shoulder more of the burden in certain circumstances, but in your analogy you spoke of screwing over your competitors. No dice.

    More folks than ever are insured, and premiums saw their smallest gain in 15 years this year.

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    Now you are reaching. Jindal didn't have anything to do with the funds for Landrieu's vote, Louisiana is in a growth period right now. And if you didn't realize that health services are 1/6 of the overall U.S. economy we're done discussing this.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Now you are reaching. Jindal didn't have anything to do with the funds for Landrieu's vote

    Louisiana is in a growth period right now.

    And if you didn't realize that health services are 1/6 of the overall U.S. economy we're done discussing this.
    Landrieu took the rare step of releasing a Sept. 16, 2009 e-mail from the Jindal administration to the state’s congressional delegation. In the e-mail from Julia Kenny, chief of staff for the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals, Kenny urges the delegation to “make our case” for an effort similar to one undertaken by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to secure Medicaid funds for Nevada.


    “We will be working on a joint statement with Gov. Jindal and [HHS] Secretary [Kathleen] Sebelius to say they are working on the FMAP issue and asking Congress to solve it,” Kenny wrote. “That’s huge, if the commitment does lead to follow-through. Once there is agreement, then we will draft a statement for the delegation’s consideration applauding the secretary and administration for recognizing the problem and working with Congress to solve it. Thank you.”

    Jindal released a statement in November acknowledging the provision was a state effort.
    Sen. Landrieu defends

    Yes they are, but that doesn't change the fact that they are still reliant on federal funding for healthcare in particular.

    Oh I absolutely do, that's why I linked you to rosy BLS projections regarding health services employment, in response to your claim that the ACA is damaging to it's existence. http://www.bls.gov/ooh/

    Learn to wave a white flag.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

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    Sen. Landrieu defends

    Yes they are, but that doesn't change the fact that they are still reliant on federal funding for healthcare in particular.

    Oh I absolutely did, that's why I linked you to rosy BLS projections regarding health services employment, in response to your claim that the ACA is damaging to it's existence.

    Learn to wave a white flag.
    Yeah, you linked to BLS, guess what, that's not what the people who actually know what's going on are saying. Market analysts, many economists, and people who make a living at knowing this stuff are of the opinion this is going to hurt people. But keep thinking you know the subject matter better than the pros, we're done here.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yeah, you linked to BLS, guess what, that's not what the people who actually know what's going on are saying.

    But keep thinking you know the subject matter better than the pros, we're done here.
    No? Could you name a source more qualified to make projections in regards to employment?

    LOL! You just completely wrote off The Bureau of Labor Statistics as folks who don't know what's going on.

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