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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So, essentially they are redistributing costs to healthy people and those who don't make poor health choices and not decreasing them. Now I understand why my coverage lessened and my family's monthly premium went up by $100. This **** needs to be repealed.
    It's pretty much just a statement which identifies the times in which we are living. Make the smart people pay for the dumbasses, and punish the innocent for the sins of the guilty.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    If the person is responsible for it through illicit, negligent, or fraudulent actions it most certainly is enough. That said if found to be outside of the authority of the congress everyone who voted for that bill would be responsible for losses incurred due to it because not only is it beyond the scope of powers, but it likewise was passed using dubious protocols. From legislation to execution this thing has been a turd.
    It was passed in a legitimate manner and deemed legitimate through judicial review of the highest form. Good enough for me, and not sufficient grounds for a lawsuit.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    It was passed in a legitimate manner and deemed legitimate through judicial review of the highest form. Good enough for me, and not sufficient grounds for a lawsuit.
    Bull****, they went through the reconcilliation process to lower the amount of votes needed for passage. Then the only slim thread that held it together was the taxing powers of congress when the mandate reached SCOTUS, John Roberts used tortured logic to apply tax powers to something the federal government had no other authority constitutionally to enact. Literally, this thing had to be massaged into constitutionality by the Supreme Court.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's pretty much just a statement which identifies the times in which we are living. Make the smart people pay for the dumbasses, and punish the innocent for the sins of the guilty.
    Many folks out there with preexisitng conditions would hardly fall under the category of dumb or guilty of any social or health sins per se, especially those who have fallen victim to work related injuries, genetic predispositions and other conditions of the sort. You might even know a few.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Bull****, they went through the reconcilliation process to lower the amount of votes needed for passage.

    Then the only slim thread that held it together was the taxing powers of congress when the mandate reached SCOTUS, John Roberts used tortured logic to apply tax powers to something the federal government had no other authority constitutionally to enact. Literally, this thing had to be massaged into constitutionality by the Supreme Court.
    Yes and Yes. In what manner would those two facts legitimize a lawsuit filed against it's participants? Anything of note outside of personal grievances?

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Yes and Yes. In what way would that legitimate a lawsuit filed against it's participants? Anything of note outside of personal grievances?
    Because if I did what they did when I sold I'd be in prison, and sued into the poor house. This is from someone who knew how the industry works, so why in the hell should a bunch of idiots with no practical knowledge get to screw an entire sixth of the economy up with no penalties? It's obviously bad law to anyone being honest, both in execution AND by the process by which it was passed.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Because if I did what they did when I sold I'd be in prison, and sued into the poor house.

    This is from someone who knew how the industry works, so why in the hell should a bunch of idiots with no practical knowledge get to screw an entire sixth of the economy up with no penalties?

    It's obviously bad law to anyone being honest, both in execution AND by the process by which it was passed.
    Did what now?

    I'm sure your knowledge of law and the health industry is extensive, but are you sure you'd like to go on record as claiming to have more knowledge than the entire congress on this matter? Also, we've already covered the whole "penalty" issue. No laws were broken, and the worsening of your personal financial status isn't sufficient grounds for a lawsuit. If it was by chance, the turnover rate in the labor market would be indetectable don't ya think?

    Some people hold differing opinions. Shocking really.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Did what now?

    I'm sure your knowledge of law and the health industry is extensive, but are you sure you'd like to go on record as claiming to have more knowledge than the entire congress on this matter? Also, we've already covered the whole "penalty" issue. No laws were broken, and the worsening of your personal financial status isn't sufficient grounds for a lawsuit. If it was by chance, the turnover rate in the labor market would be indetectable don't ya think?

    Some people hold differing opinions. Shocking really.
    Hmm, ignoring the rules, not giving constituents information "until it was passed", misrepresentation, fraud, lying, inducement, bribery. I can further explain all of that if you'd like.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Hmm, ignoring the rules

    not giving constituents information "until it was passed"

    misrepresentation

    fraud, lying, inducement, bribery. I can further explain all of that if you'd like.
    I'll have to ask you again to cut to the chase, what laws were violated that would warrant a lawsuit (legitimate preferably) be aimed towards all participants who voted for the ACA?

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    I'll have to ask you again to cut to the chase, what laws were violated that would warrant a lawsuit (legitimate preferably) be aimed towards all participants who voted for the ACA?
    Well, let's see. Issuing a mandate against constitutional authority under either the commerce clause or state powers clause, fraud("Have to pass the bill to see what's in it" ring a bell?), bribery(Cornhusker kickback, Louisiana purchase), misusing congressional protocol by using a budget rule to get the votes needed reduced. None of that was ethical, some of it was pretty much illegal, and all of it would get your average citizen thrown in jail.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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