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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Exactly. As a long-time RN, I see a much higher percentage of obesity-related illness than smoking-related illness.
    Obesity leads to longer term health usage, smoking related diseases typically aren't as long term, usually much later in life. Obesity can lead to heart disease, kidney failure, and many chronic and very expensive illnesses. Smoking isn't exactly exempt but from an underwriting standpoint many would have rathered the smokers that I used to interact with.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    While you're at it let the government control exactly how many calories you consume, when you see the doctor for what and how to spend your money. Personal responsibility will no longer have to be learned or a possibility for an independent thinking person, you can be a robot.
    What led you to this conclusion?

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So, essentially they are redistributing costs to healthy people and those who don't make poor health choices and not decreasing them. Now I understand why my coverage lessened and my family's monthly premium went up by $100. This **** needs to be repealed.
    I really wish we would remove protections from congressmen from civil lawsuits when they pass damaging legislation. Every single person who made this bill happen should be sued into the poor house.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I really wish we would remove protections from congressmen from civil lawsuits when they pass damaging legislation. Every single person who made this bill happen should be sued into the poor house.
    Maybe after seeing this the American people will elect a competent leader that will fix the damages of Obama's term. 2016 can't come fast enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Maybe after seeing this the American people will elect a competent leader that will fix the damages of Obama's term. 2016 can't come fast enough.
    Congress needs to grow a pair and just defund the damn thing, of course they are spineless at this point in time.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I really wish we would remove protections from congressmen from civil lawsuits when they pass damaging legislation.

    Every single person who made this bill happen should be sued into the poor house.
    That's a fairly disastrous proposition. Just look at the amount of crackpots that pursued lawsuits regarding Obama's birth certificate alone, you want to open up the legal system to hear the personal gripes of average joe sixpack who doesn't particularly care for his local congressman? It would also inevitably lead to intimidation via public opinion and negative press.

    Because of a personal distaste for the bill itself? Sounds like a wild goose chase spurred by nothing more than sour apples.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    That's a fairly disastrous proposition. Just look at the amount of crackpots that pursued lawsuits regarding Obama's birth certificate alone, you want to open up the legal system to hear the personal gripes of average joe sixpack who doesn't particularly care for his local congressman? It would also inevitably lead to intimidation via public opinion and negative press.

    Because of a personal distaste for the bill itself? Sounds like a wild goose chase spurred by nothing more than sour apples.
    Fine, let them pay for any financially damaging legislation. Maybe then politicians will start to think before tinkering around with bad legislative ideas instead of just issuing horrid legislation. Both parties are guilty of giving this nation absolute crap laws.
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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Fine, let them pay for any financially damaging legislation.

    Maybe then politicians will start to think before tinkering around with bad legislative ideas instead of just issuing horrid legislation. Both parties are guilty of giving this nation absolute crap laws.
    "Financial damage" alone doesn't constitute a legitimate lawsuit.

    One man's trash.. or so the saying goes. What you may consider a "crap law" may appear perfectly legitimate and even optimal for your fellow man. If a law is deemed to be legal by court review, no one who participated in it's passing should face reprecussions outside of a short stay in Washington. Legal matters shouldn't be subject to revenge motivated witch hunts conducted by outside sources.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, I think there is value in simplicity, and in expanding how much insurance companies can jerk some people around.
    Sorry, but I had to "fix" your post. When the government says XYZ group should be charged more, than you have given the insurance companies license to jerk certain people around, and give others a discount.
    Let's look at this in the case of a smoker vs. a female;

    Man smokes for 10 years, but is perfectly healthy, per results of a physical.
    Insurance company charges premium because he is a smoker.

    Woman has had 5 abortions in the past 10 years, but is perfectly healthy, per results of a physical.
    Her rate is lowered due to insurance company being required to charge the same as they would charge a healthy male.

    It's lifestyle discrimination, pure and simple.

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    Re: Federal government releases long-awaited health reform rules

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    "Financial damage" alone doesn't constitute a legitimate lawsuit.

    One man's trash.. or so the saying goes. What you may consider a "crap law" may appear perfectly legitimate and even optimal for your fellow man. If a law is deemed to be legal by court review, no one who participated in it's passing should face reprecussions outside of a short stay in Washington. Legal matters shouldn't be subject to revenge motivated witch hunts conducted by outside sources.
    If the person is responsible for it through illicit, negligent, or fraudulent actions it most certainly is enough. That said if found to be outside of the authority of the congress everyone who voted for that bill would be responsible for losses incurred due to it because not only is it beyond the scope of powers, but it likewise was passed using dubious protocols. From legislation to execution this thing has been a turd.
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