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    Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants | Politics and Law - CNET News

    Daily Kos: No warrant required for private communications?

    Senate proposal touted as protecting Americans' e-mail privacy has been quietly rewritten, giving government agencies more surveillance power than they possess under current law.
    CNET has learned that Patrick Leahy, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, has dramatically reshaped his legislation in response to law enforcement concerns. A vote on his bill, which now authorizes warrantless access to Americans' e-mail, is scheduled for next week.
    Revised bill highlights
    Leahy's rewritten bill would allow more than 22 agencies -- including the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Communications Commission -- to access Americans' e-mail, Google Docs files, Facebook wall posts, and Twitter direct messages without a search warrant. It also would give the FBI and Homeland Security more authority, in some circumstances, to gain full access to Internet accounts without notifying either the owner or a judge.
    It's an abrupt departure from Leahy's earlier approach, which required police to obtain a search warrant backed by probable cause before they could read the contents of e-mail or other communications. The Vermont Democrat boasted last year that his bill "provides enhanced privacy protections for American consumers by... requiring that the government obtain a search warrant."
    Pat Leahy's committee has a bill up for vote soon that apparently was QUIETLY rewritten for govt snoopers to dig through your emails without ANYONE'S knowledge. How do you like your transparent government? I added the Daily Kos link so lefties wouldn't accuse me of a biased article. Apparently Leahy has a history mixed stands on privacy. I suspect that Leahy is a closet peeping-tom. Leahy is a huge asshole btw, which doesn't help either. It'll be interesting to learn how intrusive this law will be. Hopefully it'll get watered down to worthlessness.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    it's a search. get a warrant.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Methinks they're going to have a hard time getting this past SCOTUS. Warrantless access to Facebook wall posts is one thing (since they're already the internet equivalent of shouting in a room full of people), but email is private, and we've got fourth amendment protections for such things.

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    On something like facebook, you have the right to an expectation of privacy to the extent that your account privacy settings are set. The premise that the govt duty is to find ways to circumvent the privacy of citizens is totally false. The jokers are looking for ways to circumvent the Constitution, which is a total mockery of govt ethics. Any elected official who purposefully seeks to circumvent the privacy of the citizens through legilation or other polcies without just cause needs to be impeached and frog-marched out of Washington or any state house. Any govt employee who purposefully seeks to invade any privacy without just cause should be fired.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Methinks they're going to have a hard time getting this past SCOTUS. Warrantless access to Facebook wall posts is one thing (since they're already the internet equivalent of shouting in a room full of people), but email is private, and we've got fourth amendment protections for such things.
    It says cnet "has learned"...., but failed to reveal it's source. Rumor, rumor, rumor.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    [QUOTE=LiberalAvenger;1061168484]It says cnet "has learned"...., but failed to reveal it's source. Rumor, rumor, rumor. [QUOTE]

    Oh, I'm fully aware that this could be bull****, but have chosen to take it at face value for conversation purposes.
    Last edited by Aderleth; 11-20-12 at 02:48 PM.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    On something like facebook, you have the right to an expectation of privacy to the extent that your account privacy settings are set. The premise that the govt duty is to find ways to circumvent the privacy of citizens is totally false. The jokers are looking for ways to circumvent the Constitution, which is a total mockery of govt ethics. Any elected official who purposefully seeks to circumvent the privacy of the citizens through legilation or other polcies without just cause needs to be impeached and frog-marched out of Washington or any state house. Any govt employee who purposefully seeks to invade any privacy without just cause should be fired.
    If you're talking about info limited to a small number of people, that's one thing. Wall posts, by their very nature, are at least semi-public. Anything posted to someone's wall could very easily be re-posted all over the damn place by anyone with access to it. Like I said in my first post, it's the equivalent of shouting something in a room full of people. That's not a very private act.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    I'm confused...

    I'm under the impression that Republicans are the ones people consider as wanting to abridge people's rights and that Democrats stand up for the privacy and rights of the people. Am I wrong about this? Leahy is a Democrat.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    It says cnet "has learned"...., but failed to reveal it's source. Rumor, rumor, rumor.
    I too suspect something is going on. I looked at other common news sites for anything H.R. 2471 (CNN; Fox News; etc; ) and came up short handed.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    [QUOTE=Aderleth;1061168563][QUOTE=LiberalAvenger;1061168484]It says cnet "has learned"...., but failed to reveal it's source. Rumor, rumor, rumor.

    Oh, I'm fully aware that this could be bull****, but have chosen to take it at face value for conversation purposes.
    Very well. Carry on!

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