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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I suspect that you and I are not having the same conversation. Obviously, yes, EPA emails are subject to FOIA requests. Emails by private entities really aren't, in general. So I honestly have no idea what the hell point you're trying to make at the moment.
    Oh businesses do, and have every right to monitor corporate/business e-mails when they're sent via their e-mail server.

    Obviously a business has absolutely no right looking into an individuals personal account (hotmail/live etc). However when it's sent from their business e-mail no warrant is needed.

    The same standard applies to the EPA. The Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to government documents, this is actually a First Amendment issue not a Fourth Amendment issue. We have the right to petition government hence my aforementioned assertions with the FOIA.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Balls View Post
    I also forgot, turn off the GPS on your cell phone if you haven't done so already. And stop using a navigation system in your car. All those are subject to tracking if this bill passes, including the historical data in those devices.
    The Patriot Act already allows GPS tracking..... In theory the Patriot Act would allow government to microchip individuals...

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The Patriot Act already allows GPS tracking..... In theory the Patriot Act would allow government to microchip individuals...
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Balls View Post
    I don't really believe it was Bush's intent to create an authoritarian government. However I think there are plenty of bureaucrats who are authoritarian, who believe they know better or whats best for common man, and they will use the Patriot Act (among other nonsense such as Obamacare) as an excuse to play 1984 with the US public.

    In short the Patriot act was a can of worms or a slippery slope.

    Sometimes good intentions have harmful consequences.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I don't really believe it was Bush's intent to create an authoritarian government. However I think there are plenty of bureaucrats who are authoritarian, who believe they know better or whats best for common man, and they will use the Patriot Act (among other nonsense such as Obamacare) as an excuse to play 1984 with the US public.

    In short the Patriot act was a can of worms or a slippery slope.

    Sometimes good intentions have harmful consequences.
    I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would have voted for that bill, regardless of 9/11.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Oh businesses do, and have every right to monitor corporate/business e-mails when they're sent via their e-mail server.
    Yes. Obviously. What does that have to do with FOIA?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The same standard applies to the EPA. The Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to government documents, this is actually a First Amendment issue not a Fourth Amendment issue. We have the right to petition government hence my aforementioned assertions with the FOIA.
    Not really. What the EPA does is wildly distinguishable from what private entities do internally in quite a lot of different ways.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Balls View Post
    I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would have voted for that bill, regardless of 9/11.
    There were parts of the act that made sense, unfortunately it was written broadly enough for abuse. I like Law enforcement and military having an implied right to CCW at all times even after retirement, I like expanding due process and probable cause to those who could stop immediate attacks, but it came at a cost of breaches of privacy to upstanding citizens. It could be a decent bill if revisited and the abuses tweaked out of it.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There were parts of the act that made sense, unfortunately it was written broadly enough for abuse. I like Law enforcement and military having an implied right to CCW at all times even after retirement, I like expanding due process and probable cause to those who could stop immediate attacks, but it came at a cost of breaches of privacy to upstanding citizens. It could be a decent bill if revisited and the abuses tweaked out of it.
    Not with this administration, hell, they can't even call terrorism what it is.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    CNET provided a link to the text.


    http://www.leahy.senate.gov/imo/medi...ndmentsAct.pdf

    Is that anything like a source?
    After reading the link I found out that the main reason for this bill is: (A) endangering the life or physical safety
    22 of an individual;
    23 (B) flight from prosecution;
    24 (C) destruction of or tampering with evi25
    dence;".

    I believe this is an excellent reason for this bill.

    Also the bill is related to telemarketers who constantly rip consumers off.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    After reading the link I found out that the main reason for this bill is: ‘‘(A) endangering the life or physical safety
    22 of an individual;
    23 ‘‘(B) flight from prosecution;
    24 ‘‘(C) destruction of or tampering with evi25
    dence;".

    I believe this is an excellent reason for this bill.

    Also the bill is related to telemarketers who constantly rip consumers off.
    I automatically don't believe in this bill when I see **** like this. This rhetoric is designed to sell something to the masses. The devil is in the details my friend.
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