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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I joined the Libertarian party the week of the election, I'm not in the "y'all" catagory because of what you are speaking of. LOL!
    And I agree, people need to wake up before we have to sign a waiver to leave our houses.
    Dude, mea culpa. I didn't mean for that post to go to you but rather the thread in general.










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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Dude, mea culpa. I didn't mean for that post to go to you but rather the thread in general.
    It's all good, I took it the way you meant it but was basically backing you on what you were saying. I more than gave the GOP time to find it's way back to the Goldwater/Reagan model but it kept going further left........so I went Libertarian, much closer to our constitution.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Does anyone else find it ironic that the hippy generation that protested against war, the man, gov't oversight, etc is now getting involved in not only this crap, but legislating what we can eat, drink, etc?
    That is because many of the hippie generation are still mentally/psychologically children, and children want a controlling authority, because they are not secure without it. That was the first thing I learned in Parenting 101.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants | Politics and Law - CNET News

    Daily Kos: No warrant required for private communications?


    Pat Leahy's committee has a bill up for vote soon that apparently was QUIETLY rewritten for govt snoopers to dig through your emails without ANYONE'S knowledge. How do you like your transparent government? I added the Daily Kos link so lefties wouldn't accuse me of a biased article. Apparently Leahy has a history mixed stands on privacy. I suspect that Leahy is a closet peeping-tom. Leahy is a huge asshole btw, which doesn't help either. It'll be interesting to learn how intrusive this law will be. Hopefully it'll get watered down to worthlessness.
    This...is horrible. The government is getting way too comfortable with overstepping its power, particularly when it comes to internet communications. I'm getting more and more pissed off by this BS.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Methinks they're going to have a hard time getting this past SCOTUS. Warrantless access to Facebook wall posts is one thing (since they're already the internet equivalent of shouting in a room full of people), but email is private, and we've got fourth amendment protections for such things.
    Yeah. If this is true, the minute it becomes law is the minute its journey to SCOTUS will begin.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    One would think, unfortunately politicians have been overstepping federal court decisions for a while now to the point that they've almost become irrelevant.
    Well... yes, but that doesn't really directly impact the point that I'm making, which is that a federal court can effectively shut down a federal law pending SCOTUS analysis. Congress can do whatever crazy **** it wants. But if what they're doing has constitutional implications, the law they've created very likely won't be enforced for very long.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Methinks they're going to have a hard time getting this past SCOTUS. Warrantless access to Facebook wall posts is one thing (since they're already the internet equivalent of shouting in a room full of people), but email is private, and we've got fourth amendment protections for such things.
    You have that ass backwards. The EPA is government - the EPA doesn't have a right to privacy.....

    Those e-mails are subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

    Now when it comes to Facebook, the government has no right to view a private page (a page set to private) - the government(s) would need a search warrant to do such.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You have that ass backwards. The EPA is government - the EPA doesn't have a right to privacy.....
    EPA meaning the Environmental Protection Agency? Yeah, they're bound by the same fourth amendment issues as every other federal agency. So whether or not they have a right to privacy is largely irrelevant to this conversation. Whether or not they have a right to access otherwise private information is directly relevant to this conversation, and the answer is that they do not have any such right absent a warrant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Those e-mails are subject to the Freedom of Information Act.
    Probably not. FOIA impacts governmental communications. It has no impact whatsoever on private emails.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Well... yes, but that doesn't really directly impact the point that I'm making, which is that a federal court can effectively shut down a federal law pending SCOTUS analysis. Congress can do whatever crazy **** it wants. But if what they're doing has constitutional implications, the law they've created very likely won't be enforced for very long.
    I don't know, I've seen them simply change a word or two and reissue the same exact policy before. I guess what I'm getting at is that if they want to flip off the court they'll figure out a way to do it.
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