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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'm confused...

    I'm under the impression that Republicans are the ones people consider as wanting to abridge people's rights and that Democrats stand up for the privacy and rights of the people. Am I wrong about this? Leahy is a Democrat.
    I'm confused, I thought conservatives had no problem with this because they always say if you don't have anything to hide, then you have nothing to worry about. That's why they support the Patriot Act.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Bush couldn't be bothered with getting his secret warrants but I doubt it matters anyway. Apparently a lot of carriers just let the NSA access their stuff voluntarily and anything that bounces off a satellite is pretty fair game for the NSA anyway on the telephone side and these are generally the same folks who do the web side.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm confused, I thought conservatives had no problem with this because they always say if you don't have anything to hide, then you have nothing to worry about. That's why they support the Patriot Act.
    There isn't a problem with looking into suspicion of certain crimes within reason, such as probable cause. If there is time for a warrant a warrant should be required, but if there is suspicion that there is a threat in progress then it can be followed up on. If there is a blanket snooping power granted to agencies "just because" it spits right in the face of due process rights and unreasonable search and seizure. Big surprise, it was one of the worst offenders in the senate Patrick Leahy who authored it.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    On something like facebook, you have the right to an expectation of privacy to the extent that your account privacy settings are set. The premise that the govt duty is to find ways to circumvent the privacy of citizens is totally false. The jokers are looking for ways to circumvent the Constitution, which is a total mockery of govt ethics. Any elected official who purposefully seeks to circumvent the privacy of the citizens through legilation or other polcies without just cause needs to be impeached and frog-marched out of Washington or any state house. Any govt employee who purposefully seeks to invade any privacy without just cause should be fired.
    I agree, except when it comes to Facebook. When you sign up, you're explicitly agreeing that anything you post there is literally owned by someone else. (Facebook) They can sell it or use it however they want. This would seem to be waiving privacy rights on that information.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I agree, except when it comes to Facebook. When you sign up, you're explicitly agreeing that anything you post there is literally owned by someone else. (Facebook) They can sell it or use it however they want. This would seem to be waiving privacy rights on that information.
    Not to the government.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'm confused...

    I'm under the impression that Republicans are the ones people consider as wanting to abridge people's rights and that Democrats stand up for the privacy and rights of the people. Am I wrong about this? Leahy is a Democrat.
    That's the image that Democrats have long tried to put forth; but it has always been false. When examined in detail, it becomes obvious that the “rights”*that Democrats want to protect, tend to be degrading, destructive things, such as sexual immorality, pornography, obscene language, abortion, drug abuse, and so on; while opposing genuine rights such as religious freedom, property rights, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to hold and express controversial opinions and beliefs, and such.

    There should be no surprise in finding the Democrat stench all over this proposal; it's exactly consistent with their view on which “rights” are worthy of protection, and which are not.
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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    I really think saying Sen Leahy is pushing to allow warrantless reading of Email by LE is twisting the facts beyond recognition. Other senators are claiming LE needs to act quickly in the case of child abductions, Grassley, a republican and senior GOP committee member, is worried toughening up the requirements will adversely affect LE investigations.

    Senator Leahy was at last report leading the effort to tighten the rules up a bit as now LE can open 'old' mail and any they feel doesn't directly affect their investigation after getting an administrative supeona that doesn't require a Judge's signature.

    Seems a few are twisting the story to make a democrat look bad, imagine that....

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    when will Libs get that they are dangerous to our freedoms..

    Libs always know whats best for everyone..get in the bread line and dont make a fuss..

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't remember Romney campaigning against those things.
    Your right, he didn't.

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    Re: Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm confused, I thought conservatives had no problem with this because they always say if you don't have anything to hide, then you have nothing to worry about. That's why they support the Patriot Act.
    wow... The Patriot act was about not being able to get warrants since it was to monitor incoming info from unknown sources, so thats impossible to get a warrant for...

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