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    Hill lawmakers spar over Rice’s remarks, involvement in Libya aftermath

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    Capitol Hill lawmakers disagreed Sunday on the importance of U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice’s role in the aftermath of the fatal Libya attacks, with independent Sen. Joe Lieberman arguing Republicans are taking a short-sighted approach by focusing on her public explanation of events.
    Rice said publicly five days after the Sept. 11 attacks on two U.S. outposts in Benghazi, Libya, that the strikes were “spontaneous” and sparked by outrage over an anti-Islamic film.
    Evidence including Capitol Hill testimony last week by former CIA Director David Petraeus showed that U.S. officials knew almost immediately that terrorist-related groups were involved.
    “Nobody could deny … it was a terrorist attack,” Lieberman said on "Fox News Sunday." "But I think we are focusing on questions that are ... not the most significant. Of course, there was a terrorist attack.”

    “Nobody could deny … it was a terrorist attack,” Lieberman said on "Fox News Sunday." "But I think we are focusing on questions that are ... not the most significant. Of course, there was a terrorist attack.”
    Lieberman, I-Connecticut, said the more important questions are why amid intelligence showing Al Qaeda other militant or terror-related groups coming into eastern Libya did the United States leave State Department personnel there without security. And why didn’t the Defense Department have nearby resources to come to their defense.
    “I mean, long run, those are the critical questions.," he said.
    Things still aren't adding up on the Benghazi story. Someone is lying about the talking points that were given out, and where the scrubbing happened.
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    Re: Hill lawmakers spar over Rice’s remarks, involvement in Libya aftermath

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    Things still aren't adding up on the Benghazi story. Someone is lying about the talking points that were given out, and where the scrubbing happened.
    I agree that the "cover up", twisting of facts, scrubbing/editing or "politization" (is that even a word?) of announcing the event is a relatively minor issue, when compared to who ordered the security to be reduced (and why), who denied the requests for more security (and why), perhaps the most important, during the lengthy attacks (at multiple locations) why was no U.S. help dispatched (and why) and, even after the attacks, why was no immediate investigation team sent to "get the facts" (and who condoned that). When the press is able to immediately "investigate" afterwards, on scene, but the CIA/FBI/military are calimed to be unable to "safely" do so - something is very, very wrong.
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    Re: Hill lawmakers spar over Rice’s remarks, involvement in Libya aftermath

    They'll have at it on the Hill, but it'll mostly be the same old partisan crap.


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    Re: Hill lawmakers spar over Rice’s remarks, involvement in Libya aftermath

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    Things still aren't adding up on the Benghazi story. Someone is lying about the talking points that were given out, and where the scrubbing happened.
    Well, the truth is now out. The talking points Rice got were incomplete. What isn't clear to me is whether or not the CIA's report included blaming that video. Where did that information come from? (I'm suspecting it was in the CIA report to the extent that the video was used as an excuse for rallying the troops to attack.)

    At any rate, what's the difference? The important question, as TTW says, is who made the decision not to send effective help immediately? It would seem to me that our paltry response to this attack has made Americans more vulnerable all over the world.
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    Re: Hill lawmakers spar over Rice’s remarks, involvement in Libya aftermath

    Who changed the CIA report, what was obama's role in this, what did he know and when did he know it? After we know these three things we need to know what obama did to cover these things up, yes this is "Benghazi gate".

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    Re: Hill lawmakers spar over Rice’s remarks, involvement in Libya aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It would seem to me that our paltry response to this attack has made Americans more vulnerable all over the world.
    In this I can agree with. From the start, whether the video sparked it or not (which we now know it didn't), it was still a terrorist attack. The problem I have with this administration was that it focused on the video. The video itself is covered under freedom of speech in our country. The person that made it violated his parole and was rightfully punished for breaking his parole, however, the video itself is not the issue that should have been the focus. I don't like the video and I think it is ****, but I agree with the protection that a video like that should be able to be made.

    The actions of those terrorists and those that supported their actions should be completely condemned and THAT is what the focus should have been on. The only mention of the video should have been used to condemn the actions of the terrorists by showing that the video is freedom of speech.

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    Re: Hill lawmakers spar over Rice’s remarks, involvement in Libya aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Who changed the CIA report, what was obama's role in this, what did he know and when did he know it? After we know these three things we need to know what obama did to cover these things up, yes this is "Benghazi gate".
    What amazes me is the right is not concerned with bringing the terrorists to justice that did the killing, but are more interested in burning Obama at the stake.

    Here's a hint, the reason we have 4 dead Americans is because terrorists killed them. THOSE are the people who we should be focusing going after.

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    Re: Hill lawmakers spar over Rice’s remarks, involvement in Libya aftermath

    What seems clear is that Rice was given certain talking points, supported by the intelligence community. This certainly was not all that was known at the time. It did represent as much info as the intelligent community wanted public at that time. There is no evidence that Rice knew more, or was authorized to say more, than she did on that Sunday. So I think the Rice issue is dead, or it shouold be.

    What also seems clear is that there was some kind of breakdown. Whether it was in communications, timing, response (or lack thereof) we do not yet know. We must let the committee do it's work. Listening to people trying to make political points without all the information is pointless and is not helping. As a matter of fact it is mking people look foolish. Those who postulated that the Petraeus scandal was designed to prevent him from testifying, McCain calling out Rice all last week, including at the time when new evidence was being presented, made him look like a dolt. McCain is widely respected, but this week he damaged his brand.

    Lets wait till we have the findings and go from there. I am sure at that time there will be an opportunity to make political points.
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    Re: Hill lawmakers spar over Rice’s remarks, involvement in Libya aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    What amazes me is the right is not concerned with bringing the terrorists to justice that did the killing, but are more interested in burning Obama at the stake.

    Here's a hint, the reason we have 4 dead Americans is because terrorists killed them. THOSE are the people who we should be focusing going after.
    I am interested in how this happened. Why was their such a lack of security and when the attack began why wasn't help sent.We need to find those responsible and fire them before they can exercise their extreme lack of judgment again. Bringing the attackers to justice is great but it's like the old adage of shutting the barn door after the horse is out.

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    Re: Hill lawmakers spar over Rice’s remarks, involvement in Libya aftermath

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    In this I can agree with. From the start, whether the video sparked it or not (which we now know it didn't), it was still a terrorist attack. The problem I have with this administration was that it focused on the video. The video itself is covered under freedom of speech in our country. The person that made it violated his parole and was rightfully punished for breaking his parole, however, the video itself is not the issue that should have been the focus. I don't like the video and I think it is ****, but I agree with the protection that a video like that should be able to be made.

    The actions of those terrorists and those that supported their actions should be completely condemned and THAT is what the focus should have been on. The only mention of the video should have been used to condemn the actions of the terrorists by showing that the video is freedom of speech.
    To me this is the real issue; do we now know that the "terrorists" involved included members of (or closely tied to) the very "interim gov't" of Libya that we fund/support? Reports of "police officials" taking photographs inside the "compound" were reported earlier the day of the attack. I feel that this is more likely why the "hold those responsible accountable" part was/is being delyed. What better reason (excuse) for delay than having months of "hearings" on side issues. Yes they can!
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